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Old 01-23-2019, 09:37 AM   #29
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Old 01-23-2019, 09:53 AM   #30
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This would make sense if you were driving through a foot of two of snow with a VW van or something.

The car will become a snowplow long before you reach snow deep enough for this to make a difference. These cars are way under-tired with something like 225s.
Unless you're tracking it, you'll be fine, lol.
The size recommendation is only if you're running dedicated winter tires...

Skinnies have more grip on ice, too, not just for cutting through the snow. Ground pressure is more effective for ice grip than a couple more tread blocks.

Dry pavement is where the wider tires provide more grip.

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Old 01-23-2019, 01:18 PM   #31
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Unless you're tracking it, you'll be fine, lol.
The size recommendation is only if you're running dedicated winter tires...

Skinnies have more grip on ice, too, not just for cutting through the snow. Ground pressure is more effective for ice grip than a couple more tread blocks.

Dry pavement is where the wider tires provide more grip.

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More studs in a concentrated area would have more grip on ice, that's how studs work, but wider is better for traction on smooth (ice) surfaces. Not sure how you think the opposite is true. Ice isn't some mystery substance, the right winter tires will grip better and treat it more like a dry road surface (although it won't ever quite get there). Wider will still give you better traction. What you are talking about has only two valid points IME, compressing a bunch of snow with a hard surface beneath, for traction, and concentrating studs, which has some validity, but with the tire compound also providing grip you still benefit with wider tires.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:16 PM   #32
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:18 PM   #33
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This is my Camaro in the snow... Under the car cover. Just finished shoveling around it... It is trapped in a corner, behind there are some cedar and in front is the garage... What a PITA to move to snow around haha.
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Old 01-24-2019, 01:19 AM   #34
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I routinely leave mine in a work parking lot for a few days at a time. While I was gone it was freezing rain that changed over to snow this time. The parking lot has a gentle, not all that noticeable slope to it. To back out of the spot I was in though went against the slope. The car wouldn’t do it. Luckily, nobody was parked nose to nose with me. Going forward I got out with no problem. It was after midnight and 9 degrees. I didn’t need problems. From now on, I will make a point during the winter of parking only in spots where I do not end up forced to either back up or pull out going against the slope....may the slope be with me.
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Old 01-24-2019, 03:26 AM   #35
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:38 AM   #36
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More studs in a concentrated area would have more grip on ice, that's how studs work, but wider is better for traction on smooth (ice) surfaces. Not sure how you think the opposite is true. Ice isn't some mystery substance, the right winter tires will grip better and treat it more like a dry road surface (although it won't ever quite get there). Wider will still give you better traction. What you are talking about has only two valid points IME, compressing a bunch of snow with a hard surface beneath, for traction, and concentrating studs, which has some validity, but with the tire compound also providing grip you still benefit with wider tires.
Then adding weight wouldn't increase traction at all.... Which it does... Because of added ground pressure.

Going from a 525 wide tire to a 245 wide tire gave me more traction on pure ice, lol.

Same reason some folks with unloaded dually's will run singles in the back... Better traction on ice.

Same reason nobody runs 15.5 or 18 wide tires on their truck in the winter, unless they can't afford winter setups, lol.

Same reason 11" wide semi tires turn better on ice than 385 wide semi tires... All with the same tread pattern, lol.

But I'm also going off my personal experience and everyone I know, so it's probably a skewed view compared to your sources.

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Old 01-24-2019, 09:39 AM   #37
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I routinely leave mine in a work parking lot for a few days at a time. While I was gone it was freezing rain that changed over to snow this time. The parking lot has a gentle, not all that noticeable slope to it. To back out of the spot I was in though went against the slope. The car wouldn’t do it. Luckily, nobody was parked nose to nose with me. Going forward I got out with no problem. It was after midnight and 9 degrees. I didn’t need problems. From now on, I will make a point during the winter of parking only in spots where I do not end up forced to either back up or pull out going against the slope....may the slope be with me.


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Old 01-24-2019, 12:11 PM   #39
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Then adding weight wouldn't increase traction at all.... Which it does... Because of added ground pressure.

Going from a 525 wide tire to a 245 wide tire gave me more traction on pure ice, lol.

Same reason some folks with unloaded dually's will run singles in the back... Better traction on ice.

Same reason nobody runs 15.5 or 18 wide tires on their truck in the winter, unless they can't afford winter setups, lol.

Same reason 11" wide semi tires turn better on ice than 385 wide semi tires... All with the same tread pattern, lol.

But I'm also going off my personal experience and everyone I know, so it's probably a skewed view compared to your sources.

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Better traction on ice? Or better traction on snow when you compress it against a hard layer (ice or road beneath).

Have you tried braking on ice with skinny tires and no studs? If not, you are in for some fun. Tried turning across an intersection with lateral forces acting on your car? I'm not doubting you having driven through snow, but driving on ice constantly, I am. To a degree, on snow, you can increase traction by increasing weight and compressing the snow against a hard layer, assuming your tread compound is good for winter. We don't have the kind of weight over the axles in a rear-wheel-drive car to ever approach the starting-traction of something like a box-truck or even an SUV, but that's not where the greatest danger is, it's from sliding left or right and not being able to brake.
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Old 01-24-2019, 01:34 PM   #40
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