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The primary reason (there were several) for discontinuing it was that the F-Body platform it was built on would not be capable of meeting the upcoming CAFE and NHTSA Crash regulations. The other RWD platforms available at the time were too expensive (Cadillac Sigma) or couldn’t provide enough capacity (Sigma and Zeta). When the decision was made to bring the Australian Zeta platform to North America and build Camaro in Oshawa I had moved to Product Planning / Competitor Intelligence. There we worked with the vehicle teams and the Powertrain teams to keep them up to date on what key competitors were working on, typically up to five years into the future. Worked that job for 10 years, then retired. Now I work for the company that provided my GM intel team with much of the info we used to determine what competitors were doing. We forecast up to 12 years into the future. We field questions from each automaker about what the other is doing. They do “answer” each other. Maybe not line for line or car for car, but where it’s important, they answer. Watch Jeep and Bronco over the next couple years and tell me they are not answering each other. Tell me Jeep Grand Wagoneer is not a long overdue answer to Chevrolet Suburban.
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What you have noted is what I was trying to say earlier but did not do a good job getting across. I do believe that, in any industry, companies do pay close attention to what their competitors are doing, or what their competitive intelligence tells them they believe competitors are looking to do in the short and long-term future. Again, what I was trying to say from the very start, was that not every Camaro or Mustang trim level rolled out is always "an answer" to something the competition did or might be suspected of doing in the future. I agree that it happens, as you pointed out, 'when it is important." I believe it is important when market share is at risk for a given demographic or a manufacturer want to make inroads into a segment that they feel they are missing out on. (i.e. Ford Bronco/Jeep Wrangler, Chevy Suburban/Jeep Grand Wagoneer/Ford F150 Raptor/RAM TRX, etc.) Back to what started all of this, I am of the opinion that neither the Mach 1 trim level or GT500 trim level Mustang are a direct answer to GM's Camaro offerings. There is no Camaro "1LE" trim level. It is simply a performance package that can be ordered on the SS or ZL1 trim levels. The Mach 1 is its own trim level and, like the SS and ZL1, can be ordered with a performance upgrade package. It's the same for the GT500. There is no doubt that Ford is hoping to pull some sales from the Camaro by offering these trim levels, that is not in argument, but I do not see them (as Jim put it) as car-for-car answers to anything. Again, simply my opinion. |
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