Raybesto vs Hawk

artey34 · 01-31-2020, 07:53 AM

Anyone have experience with either the ST-43, DTC60 or DTC70s? I want to swap to a track dedicated pad. I hear the ST-43s are good and last long, but eat your rotors up. Also, a good combo for some is the DTC70s up front and 60s in the rear.
Love to hear your thoughts!

TheRealJA105 · 01-31-2020, 08:08 AM

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glamcem · 01-31-2020, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artey34

Anyone have experience with either the ST-43, DTC60 or DTC70s? I want to swap to a track dedicated pad. I hear the ST-43s are good and last long, but eat your rotors up. Also, a good combo for some is the DTC70s up front and 60s in the rear.
Love to hear your thoughts!

Hawk pads are more corrosive and leave corrosive material on wheels. I have been using Raybestos pads for years and didn't have issues using them all year around.

Mountain · 01-31-2020, 10:21 PM

The Hawk pads, the DTC60 and DTC70, are pretty aggressive and will create more heat quicker than the Raybestos. If your choice are these 3 pads, go for the Raybestos and either re-use the factory pad shims/isolators or get some Ti shims.

Some good info here: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...4#post10705794

artey34 · 02-01-2020, 09:15 AM

Yah I was going to use Ti shims regardless as these are a track only pad. I'll use stocks for the streets

LESS1 · 02-01-2020, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain

The Hawk pads, the DTC60 and DTC70, are pretty aggressive and will create more heat quicker than the Raybestos. If your choice are these 3 pads, go for the Raybestos and either re-use the factory pad shims/isolators or get some Ti shims.

Some good info here: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...4#post10705794

Spot on. I've run DTC60's on my other weekend toy/track car and these pads are great but eat rotors quickly. DTC70 is even more aggressive. See PDF for more details on Hawk.

thescreensavers · 02-01-2020, 11:27 AM

I love my ST43s they hardly wear too! I will be buying em again.

Kyler496 · 02-03-2020, 04:28 PM

I run ST45 in front and ST43 in back and pleased with the performance. Girlfriend runs Hawks and hurt the finish of her wheels after a rainy day at track.

artey34 · 02-03-2020, 07:35 PM

Any good deals on the Raybestos? I know they are quite a bit more than the Hawks but if they last longer and dont eat the rotors as much, id rather go that route

Kyler496 · 02-04-2020, 09:45 AM

KNS Brakes may still have some on sale. I just bought another set for front and back last week after seeing an advertisement. I should mention the ST45 are much louder when lightly braking compared to the ST43 if you plan to do a lot of street driving.

artey34 · 02-04-2020, 09:55 AM

These would be only for track use. Street driving I will be swapping back to stock at the track. Also looking into ST45s on all 4 corners. Will have more bite, but how do the rotors do with them?

TheRealJA105 · 02-04-2020, 10:30 AM

Thinking in the simplest of ways, if the Raybestos stop as well as the Hawks but last longer, doesn't that have to mean they are wearing the rotors faster? It's friction and something is wearing away, but i might need another lesson on friction coefficients and properties of materials.

kropscamaro16 · 02-04-2020, 11:07 AM

i got a quote on new rotors and st43 from kns for my ss but he was honest and told me if i can find a bbk for a good deal get that even with the 4 piston setup and better rotors and pads the 6 piston kit would be worth it

Yanbags · 02-04-2020, 11:28 AM

I personally like the characteristics of the Ferodo DS1.11 pad better than the ST-43. I have gone through 2 sets of OEM, 2 sets of ST-43, and 1.5ish sets of DS1.11 so far and the Ferodos have been my favorite by far. Initial bite is very strong, no fade, and rotor wear is reasonable. The ST-43 lasted long but I was able to get them to fade and they were pretty harsh on rotors.

Not a fan of Hawks for anything.

01-31-2020, 07:53 AM	#1
artey34 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE - Hyper Blue Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 441	Raybesto vs Hawk Anyone have experience with either the ST-43, DTC60 or DTC70s? I want to swap to a track dedicated pad. I hear the ST-43s are good and last long, but eat your rotors up. Also, a good combo for some is the DTC70s up front and 60s in the rear. Love to hear your thoughts!

02-04-2020, 11:07 AM	#13
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,813	i got a quote on new rotors and st43 from kns for my ss but he was honest and told me if i can find a bbk for a good deal get that even with the 4 piston setup and better rotors and pads the 6 piston kit would be worth it __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

01-31-2020, 08:08 AM	#2
TheRealJA105 Drives: 2013 C6Z06 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: PA Posts: 1,577	https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475866

01-31-2020, 10:21 PM	#4
Mountain Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2016 1SS (previous) Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Metro-Detroit Posts: 1,863	The Hawk pads, the DTC60 and DTC70, are pretty aggressive and will create more heat quicker than the Raybestos. If your choice are these 3 pads, go for the Raybestos and either re-use the factory pad shims/isolators or get some Ti shims. Some good info here: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...4#post10705794

02-01-2020, 09:15 AM	#5
artey34 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE - Hyper Blue Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 441	Yah I was going to use Ti shims regardless as these are a track only pad. I'll use stocks for the streets

02-01-2020, 11:27 AM	#7
thescreensavers Drives: SW 1SS 1LE / Jeep XJ Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: WPB,FL Posts: 799	I love my ST43s they hardly wear too! I will be buying em again.

02-03-2020, 04:28 PM	#8
Kyler496 Drives: 16' Camaro SS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Sachse, TX Posts: 8	I run ST45 in front and ST43 in back and pleased with the performance. Girlfriend runs Hawks and hurt the finish of her wheels after a rainy day at track.

02-03-2020, 07:35 PM	#9
artey34 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE - Hyper Blue Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 441	Any good deals on the Raybestos? I know they are quite a bit more than the Hawks but if they last longer and dont eat the rotors as much, id rather go that route

02-04-2020, 09:45 AM	#10
Kyler496 Drives: 16' Camaro SS Join Date: May 2019 Location: Sachse, TX Posts: 8	KNS Brakes may still have some on sale. I just bought another set for front and back last week after seeing an advertisement. I should mention the ST45 are much louder when lightly braking compared to the ST43 if you plan to do a lot of street driving.

02-04-2020, 09:55 AM	#11
artey34 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE - Hyper Blue Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Michigan Posts: 441	These would be only for track use. Street driving I will be swapping back to stock at the track. Also looking into ST45s on all 4 corners. Will have more bite, but how do the rotors do with them?

02-04-2020, 10:30 AM	#12
TheRealJA105 Drives: 2013 C6Z06 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: PA Posts: 1,577	Thinking in the simplest of ways, if the Raybestos stop as well as the Hawks but last longer, doesn't that have to mean they are wearing the rotors faster? It's friction and something is wearing away, but i might need another lesson on friction coefficients and properties of materials.

02-04-2020, 11:28 AM	#14
Yanbags Drives: '17 SS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: NYC Posts: 104	I personally like the characteristics of the Ferodo DS1.11 pad better than the ST-43. I have gone through 2 sets of OEM, 2 sets of ST-43, and 1.5ish sets of DS1.11 so far and the Ferodos have been my favorite by far. Initial bite is very strong, no fade, and rotor wear is reasonable. The ST-43 lasted long but I was able to get them to fade and they were pretty harsh on rotors. Not a fan of Hawks for anything.

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