[mcintyre1969]

When the power grid goes down, I will still be getting around!

[cellsafemode]

Yea, cuz we live in a country that has a bunch of manual gas pumps.

People who cling to ICE engines ....you've already lost your battle.

There are only 2 futures for cars

1. You can still own your own car and it's going to be all electric.

2. Cars become a service industry since the wage gap further consolidates the nation's wealth in the top 5% of the population and self-driving cars make it impossibly expensive to drive and own your own so you wont own a car ....and it's still all electric.

There will still be super fast cars that do 10second quarter miles like the tesla ....so if it's #1, car enthusiasts will still have plenty to play with.

[Navigator]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

There are only 2 futures for cars

1. You can still own your own car and it's going to be all electric.

2. Cars become a service industry since the wage gap further consolidates the nation's wealth in the top 5% of the population and self-driving cars make it impossibly expensive to drive and own your own so you wont own a car ....and it's still all electric.

And the insurance cost on human-driven cars will price many out of driving their own car. Eventually, the safety benefits of self-driving cars that communicate with one another and don't get distracted will make human-driven cars too expensive and dangerous to reasonably insure.

[mcintyre1969]

pump in my garage is manual

[CruzySS]

There will always be internal cumbustion engines. Trucks and vehicles that pull heavy loads will have to have cumbustion engines. Passenger vehicles will definitely increase.

[BahamaTodd]

Originally Posted by CruzySS

There will always be internal cumbustion engines. Trucks and vehicles that pull heavy loads will have to have cumbustion engines. Passenger vehicles will definitely increase.

GM has plans to use hydrogen fuel cells for larger vehicles.
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/h...-platform.html

[S!N!STER]

Originally Posted by Stex

Just do not see Electric being the future. The electric grid is not even close to supporting a major or minor % change to electric cars.

You don’t even need the electrical grid. My neighbor charges her Tesla with solar panels on her garage, and saves the extra power to a Tesla battery in her garage.

[dpevans]

First off it's impossible. even within the next 30 years. I have seen calculations that if the entire state of Cal goes electric which they plan on the infrastructure is not available to support and supply all the electricity needed. Each gas station in Cal support on the average 2,000 cars a day so if every car could go even 400 miles on one charge the KW needed to charge 2k cars for each station would be 10s of millions of dollars for each station. Even if 50% of the cars charged at home the amount of electricty needed would demand that 1,000 new power plants be built just in Cal. Windmills you say, ten one million dollar windmills for each charging station. I think you will see an about face on total electric and back to a gas powered hybrid. Engines will only supply the electrical needs for every vehicle. They are really putting the cart before the electric car.

[Stex]

Originally Posted by S!N!STER

You don’t even need the electrical grid. My neighbor charges her Tesla with solar panels on her garage, and saves the extra power to a Tesla battery in her garage.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...off-and-enron/

And this:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...eliminate-cars

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis2

General Motors has made the announcement it plans to go 100 percent electric earlier this week, according to NBC News

The goal is to abandon the internal combustion engine entirely. At some point in the future, all of its products will draw power either from batteries or hydrogen. Last year, all forms of electrified vehicles accounted for not even 3 percent of the U.S. new vehicle market so the question now is will consumers accept this change?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gm-to-r...ext-18-months/

No.

Here is what GM originally said:
http://www.gm.com/mol/m-2017-oct-1002-electric.html

Originally Posted by General Motors

DETROIT — General Motors announced today how it is executing on a major element of its vision of a world with zero crashes, zero emissions and zero congestion, recently announced by GM Chairman and CEO Mary Barra.


“General Motors believes in an all-electric future,” said Mark Reuss, General Motors executive vice president of Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain. “Although that future won't happen overnight, GM is committed to driving increased usage and acceptance of electric vehicles through no-compromise solutions that meet our customers' needs.”


In the next 18 months, GM will introduce two new all-electric vehicles based off learnings from the Chevrolet Bolt EV. They will be the first of at least 20 new all-electric vehicles that will launch by 2023.


Given customers' various needs, getting to a zero emissions future will require more than just battery electric technology. It will require a two-pronged approach to electrification — battery electric and hydrogen fuel cell electric depending on the unique requirements.


GM also introduced SURUS — the Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure — a fuel cell powered, four-wheel steer concept vehicle on a heavy-duty truck frame that’s driven by two electric motors. With its capability and flexible architecture, SURUS could be used as a delivery vehicle, truck or even an ambulance — all emissions free.

In other words: they believe that cars will be powered by hydrogen or batteries, at some unspecified future date, according to their current vision of the future.

Somehow that gets turned into 'GM announces it will go 100% Electric'?

No, they did not announce that. The article that you linked to (by CBS, not NBC) did not say they announced that either. You might have thought the article said that ... but they didn't.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

A lot of folks at Tesla, Faraday Future, and NextEV would disagree with you and bring hardware to prove it. All make at least one vehicle that does 0 - 60 in 2.5s or less. Google Tesla S P100d, Faraday Future FF91 and Nio EP9 for details.

And as soon as any of them actually make money selling electric cars, they might be worth taking seriously as automakers. But seeing as Tesla has lost around 10 billion in their short history ... I wouldn't hold them up as any sort of beacon for the future of automaking ... unless that future includes a trillion dollar annual subsidy to keep the industry afloat.

Originally Posted by Stex

breitbart.com

And this:

newsbusters.org

Neither of those outlets are anything remotely approaching a reputable source of information. If you want to read that stuff for entertainment, go right ahead. But they're about as trustworthy as the National Enquirer or The Onion.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

A lot of folks at Tesla, Faraday Future, and NextEV would disagree with you and bring hardware to prove it. All make at least one vehicle that does 0 - 60 in 2.5s or less. Google Tesla S P100d, Faraday Future FF91 and Nio EP9 for details.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

And as soon as any of them actually make money selling electric cars, they might be worth taking seriously as automakers. But seeing as Tesla has lost around 10 billion in their short history ... I wouldn't hold them up as any sort of beacon for the future of automaking ... unless that future includes a trillion dollar annual subsidy to keep the industry afloat.

I only mention those three because they have already demonstrated high performance EVs. Performance EVs are coming very soon from companies that already make profits from selling cars. BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, and McLaren have already announced plans to bring high performance electrics to market, but since those are not here yet, I only mentioned some that are. Tesla, Faraday Future, and NextEV have proven that it is possible. The more established brands will show how to do it profitably.

Even so, I still keep trying to point out that Reuss's statement was taken way out of context. The words "all-electric" continue to be interpreted as "all GM cars will be electric" instead of "some of the cars GM will make will function all-electrically". There will be ICE cars, hybrids (with and without plugs), EVs, and fuel cells. Reuss was only commenting on the EVs and fuel cells and how they fit into GM's zero emissions / zero crashes vision.

[Jeb114]

They are responding to the statement the Governor of California said, they are going to outlaw internal combustion engines in 5 years. In response to President Trump removing the clean coal regulations.

[LuvMI]

Originally Posted by mcintyre1969

When the power grid goes down, I will still be getting around!

+1. Jimmy Kimmel joked about the electric car he and his wife we're driving in up the coast this weekend running out of electric and they had to stop for three hours to let it recharge to make it home... I wonder how much electric fits in a five gal gas can if you're nowhere near a plug?

[BahamaTodd]

Originally Posted by CruzySS

There will always be internal cumbustion engines. Trucks and vehicles that pull heavy loads will have to have cumbustion engines. Passenger vehicles will definitely increase.

Looks like those electric semis are going to pick up and go pretty well.


https://youtu.be/l5ag6ckQWiw?t=1m15s