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Just wield some fins onto the rear dif. Lol
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lets look at two potential scenarios given their statement.
Scenario A) "in as few as 3 hot laps" Hot lap 1... no overheat Hot lap 2... no overheat Hot lap 3... overheat warning Scenario B) "often in as few as three hot laps, and even with easy laps staggered between them" Hot lap 1... no overheat Easy lap Hot lap 2... no overheat Easy lap Hot lap 3... overheat warning in their words they staggered easy laps between 3 hot laps."them" being 3 hot laps its either on lap 3 or on lap 5 but regardless its the 3rd lap of aggressive driving that triggered the warning. And there implication was that in some outings it took longer |
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I've resisted jumping into these bench racing arguments but sometimes they are entertaining. Come on guys - does it matter if the rear diff overheats in 3 laps or 5 laps? Who would want to track any car where the rear diff overheats before you can finish even one short session? If I paid PP2 money and then had this problem I would not be happy!
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Look bro if you too thick headed to understand that a hot lap and a cool down lap are two different things I can’t help you. If the car was only capable of one fast lap no experienced driver would think that slowing down a lap would extend the cars capability beyond 1 lap. If 3 hard laps consecutive caused it to overheat then Cool down laps between hard laps may allow you to stay on the track.
If you have 3 sheets of colored paper(hot laps) and you put a sheet of white paper(easy lap) between each colored you now have 5 sheets total... not 6 bro. |
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Let me break this down into something really simple. These two cars are both very similar in power and weight, and they are both the same configuration (2+2 pony/muscle cars, front engine, rear drive, v8's, both can have MRC, pricing, etc...). Simply put, this should be a driver's race. But it really hasn't been (in terms of road course fun) for years. And it took the release of the PP2 to make it a driver's race, and even with that the PP2 has trouble staying on the track for a full session. That's a fail. AND, it took using tires that are not good on the street. So, Ford says "it's not a track car". Then why put track tires on it? It is glaringly obvious that Ford got sick of getting it's a$$ handed to in to the Camaro, and used track tires to get a good hotlap against the competition, even though it's not a track car. But that's all you get. A hot lap (or three). Even according to Ford, the PP2 is not track capable. All that just for a driver's race. The Mustang is just not as sorted out as the Camaro has been for years after several attempts. BUT, we all know that Ford has the capability. The GT350 has been described as a very well sorted out car for the track (after fixing their overheating issues ironically). So the CAN do it, they just choose not to for the PP2 or PP1 or base Mustang. You have to get at least a 350 to get there. The Camaro can go to the track and not have any issues, AND put up amazing numbers in any configuration, AND any subjective test shows that the car is completely sorted in every aspect. You don't need their track package (1LE) to track the car or to have the handling and suspension completely soreted out. The regular non-1LE SS beat the M4 in a direct H2H. I'm glad the PP2 put up a great time, but it still seems to have a bit too much body roll from what I can see, and the overheating is a fail, when all Ford had to do is borrow their suspension goodies and coolers from the GT350 and call it a day. But they didn't. And that = Fail. |
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I’m not arguing that the car not having coolers isn’t an issue. That’s been agreed since the specs were released, but I will argue with people who like to bend facts to make their case. These tests are about how fast of a lap can the car put down not whether the vehicle is for sustained track duty because Ford has stated it is not designed to be. The PP2 is too close in performance capability to the 350 to put coolers on it and have 2 n/a track cars with similar performance. When the 350 is retired you will most likely see a PP2 with coolers.
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Sometimes it seems like Ford makes something cool like the 350. But other times it reminds me of a some dude kludging stuff together in his garage, like the Focus RS and the PP2.
Ford intentionally hobbled the PP2 so it doesn't upset 350 owners, but then they threw Cup2 tires on it so it can (barely) beat the 1LE around maybe 1 track for 1 lap when the stars are aligned just right, but it's not a car intended for the track. It lost MT's driver's car comparison badly. Who would buy this car? It reeks of desperation. |
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This ways PP2 mustang hits certain price point.... and if owners want they can upgrade to factory parts for moarr speed... GT350 Rear diff and cooler.. Tremec transmission, etc.
Most ppl that buy PP2 will never get it on track.. lucky if they even find bottom 90% of throttle pedal travel
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Disagree - most people who won't go to the track won't pay extra for tires that aren't any good on the street. They will opt for PP1 or a base GT and save money and get a better street car.
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