02-03-2023, 01:17 PM | #15 | |
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2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
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02-03-2023, 01:25 PM | #16 |
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Adam, where are you from in VA and what shop is it? Just curious
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02-03-2023, 03:46 PM | #17 |
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I am in Fredericksburg, VA (currently) and Elite Speed and Performance is doing most of the work. They are moving their shop this week to a larger location down the street, but they did not want to start my build until they finish moving in. Mike and Landon are great to deal with, but like any small business, coinage is a premium, so I have no problem purchasing the items for my build which is a growing list, so no out of pocket expense to them. I run most of my ideas past them for my build, as some of the advice you get on these forums can be 'interesting', but for the most part on this one, it has been helpful. The hardest choice was either the Maggie or Whipple. I am an old boat and bike guy, so we ran whipples with superchillers all the time on the water, so I went with what I know. Never seen a Maggie on the water, and a few prochargers here and there. As for my bikes, I will never hang a growth (SC) off the side of my bikes...never. There is no substitute for cubic inches...period
Mike and Landon did some work on my Camaro before when it was brand new (now it has a whopping 700 miles on it- garage queen) I talked to a few shops south of me in Richmond, VA but did not get a warm and fuzzy feeling from them. Ya gotta go with your gut sometimes
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02-04-2023, 08:10 AM | #18 | |
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You are preaching to the choir bud...hence why my car sits in its current state. It's not a money issue...it's knowing where to limit yourself before the build snowballs.
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Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA |
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02-04-2023, 04:28 PM | #19 |
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Does anybody have the flow numbers on the stock heads?
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02-06-2023, 12:37 PM | #20 |
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These are the numbers on our Superflow bench.
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02-07-2023, 06:22 AM | #21 |
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OEM LT1 heads flow pretty good stock as you can see
I just elected to replace mine on my build, so they will be up for sale when I start
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02-07-2023, 08:19 AM | #22 |
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Will these provide any gains on a stock cam, seeing the chart, seems unlikely?
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‘22 2SS 1LE M6 Summit White - RF, Flexfuel, LT2 intake, 95mm tb, ATI udp, VT ramair, full 28” dragpack - 11.68@122
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02-07-2023, 08:40 AM | #23 |
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Pray has shown 20whp gains across the board with ported stock castings and a stock cam.
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02-08-2023, 10:11 AM | #24 |
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I keep flip flopping on just doing heads. It’s a hell of a lot less work but It kills me to clamp the heads back down with afm lifters still in there tho.
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02-08-2023, 10:15 AM | #25 |
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BTR has a stock profile DOD/AFM delete cam with or without a bigger fuel lobe. So you could delete AFM lifters while at it. It's a lot of time, money, and effort for 20whp but honestly, I say it's worth it just to get rid of the crappy AFM lifters.
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02-08-2023, 11:16 AM | #26 |
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I had a set from gwatney that leaked into the port, what a nightmare that turned into. I regret not going with aftermarket heads
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02-08-2023, 11:58 AM | #27 |
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Yeah after seeing a few different people experiencing that same thing, I bit the bullet and bought the Mast heads. Nothing like the smell of overkill first thing in the morning.
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02-09-2023, 08:54 AM | #28 |
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I have looking at the NA route lately. The SC thing sounds like it will be more trouble than it's worth on these motors to get it bulletproof (for what I want to accomplish).
That rabbit hole is long and deep for mainly a street car.... I don't want to rebuild the motor because corners were cut or have to run 110 octane all the time. That being said, I got a hold of GMPP for flow numbers on their heads and they are quite impressive for being factory. They beat out Frankenstein's heads for example across the board intake side and murder them on the exhaust. Still scouting it out, but for $945 a head, it will be tough to justify another 5-6 cfm @ $3,000+ on a street car. Granted, you'll still have to put some money into them for springs etc, if you're going to a higher lift cam. But, you'd probably do that with any head to match your cam. The specs I have do not show deck thickness. BTR said they took .43 off though to get the compression up in one of their vids, so I'm guessing there is some meat there. They have stock 59cc chambers.
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