Dealerships, warranty, & new Mobil 1 0w-40 esp - Page 3

18ss376 · 12-28-2018, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 7speed

I'm getting my oil changed at dealer right now and they gave me option of getting the 0w for about $15 more.

Exactly my point, the dealer is always going to want you to spend more. You think they would give you the option on something that cost less, hell no!

Ryephile · 12-28-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Whocares05050

I dont want this thread to turn into a pissing match on which oil is better and why, but rather an official word from chevy corporate on the use of the oil in all 2014 and newer LT1 & LT4 camaro and corvette models. Bulletin #, memo, internal direcrions to service mamagers, etc. Without that all the dealers near me said the oil is NOT approved and they will not cover me under warranty if something were to happen. That is really all I am trying to get out of this thread is to figure put what we need to do as customers to get some type of official response on this...

If keeping your Warranty air-tight is the #1 priority, then the dealership you'd be bringing your car to for Warranty claims should be heeded. Most dealerships aren't going to be bothered with something like an official Ask Tadge or Ask Al response, as those are more-or-less engineering based answers, which unfortunately has nothing to do with appeasing the Warranty claim process.

Since your dealer says no to 0W-40, then you're sticking with Dexos1 5W-30.

Whocares05050 · 12-28-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryephile

If keeping your Warranty air-tight is the #1 priority, then the dealership you'd be bringing your car to for Warranty claims should be heeded. Most dealerships aren't going to be bothered with something like an official Ask Tadge or Ask Al response, as those are more-or-less engineering based answers, which unfortunately has nothing to do with appeasing the Warranty claim process.

Since your dealer says no to 0W-40, then you're sticking with Dexos1 5W-30.

Well ive got 4 free oil changes and they told me chevy wont pay for them unless its the 5w-30 so without an official word I am just trying to get 500 bucks un free oil for the most part

LT4Greg · 12-28-2018, 03:13 PM

Hey people, you can do the oil changes yourself if you want to and maintain your warranty. Just save all receipts for your oil and filters in case something does happen. That’s what I have done since owning my ‘16 SS and I was told by 2 dealerships that it wouldn’t be a problem for them if I did the oil changes myself.

Whocares05050 · 12-29-2018, 11:05 AM

Does anyone here know of a contact person at GM/CHEVY that can make an official statement about this oil?

johng724 · 12-29-2018, 04:03 PM

Ok, I'm confused. What do I use on my 2019 SS?
First oil change is coming up

Airfuel · 12-29-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by johng724

Ok, I'm confused. What do I use on my 2019 SS?
First oil change is coming up

You do exactly what your owners manual states.
And remind the dealer that the 2019 model has new oil requirements.

johng724 · 12-29-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Airfuel

You do exactly what your owners manual states.
And remind the dealer that the 2019 model has new oil requirements.

Ok, just curious

Whocares05050 · 12-29-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by johng724

Ok, I'm confused. What do I use on my 2019 SS?
First oil change is coming up

The 2019 now calls for the new, mobil 1 0w-40 ESP which has to be ORDERED by the dealer in liter bottles. It is not yet available in BULK so make sure you have this conversation with the dealer a WEEK in advance....

CoolbreezeNJ · 12-30-2018, 08:13 AM

Here is what I did noting I have an '18 SS. Manual clearly states use Dexos "Approved" but displays the Dexos Gen2 "logo". Fine then they say go to GMdexos.com where you will find a myriad of "approved oils" . Some are Synthetic Blend others are Full Synthetic and these are the Gen2 approved oils. So that part is easy. Tons of oils in the $20-$30 range/5 qts. I also downloaded the Corvette manuals and again no reference of this super expensive 0W-40 was found in those manuals. Perhaps there is a supplement to the Supercharged LT4 but since i don't own one I wouldn't know.

Then I researched Mobil 1 oils and the ESP oil is for Emmission System Performance , e.g. diesel car engines because blow by would hurt the Diesel Particulate Filter, (DPF) . Note however that the diesel engines in say my '17 Silverado don't require that oil. No where could I find that ESP stood for something else nor could I find it was particularly beneficial to your basic naturally aspirated , DI engine. Dexos Gen2 was really developed for DI turbo motors to see if they could bring down valve deposits a little bit. That part was easy to find but how much those deposits go down was a number that I couldn't find. So the Gen2 label is a certification against those deposit tests.

So I'm fine doing more of this "research" but I would like to see the 2019 manual. Furthermore if people see in print something different then what I found then by all means let's advance the argument here but from what I have found the oW-40 is a total waste other than for tracking the cars but along those lines I would say somebody has to dive in to find that out as well as I sure didn't stumble across it.

Chris C 1SS 1LE · 12-30-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Whocares05050

Well ive got 4 free oil changes and they told me chevy wont pay for them unless its the 5w-30 so without an official word I am just trying to get 500 bucks un free oil for the most part

Brought this in they said they already knew, had it in stock, and didn't charge me a penny.

Airfuel · 12-30-2018, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolbreezeNJ

So I'm fine doing more of this "research" but I would like to see the 2019 manual. Furthermore if people see in print something different then what I found then by all means let's advance the argument here but from what I have found the oW-40 is a total waste

Here is the 2019 manual. I have posted this before. 0w-40 is better than 5w-30 as it flows better cold and better for heat.

IrocTodd · 12-30-2018, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris C 1SS 1LE

Brought this in they said they already knew, had it in stock, and didn't charge me a penny.

I also did that same exact thing. my dealer already had intended on using the new oil for no extra charge also and even replaced my cap free of charge!

Whocares05050 · 12-30-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris C 1SS 1LE

Brought this in they said they already knew, had it in stock, and didn't charge me a penny.

Ive showed them that same exact document and they said it only applies to 2019s and still wont cover it...

12-28-2018, 03:13 PM	#32
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,809	Hey people, you can do the oil changes yourself if you want to and maintain your warranty. Just save all receipts for your oil and filters in case something does happen. That’s what I have done since owning my ‘16 SS and I was told by 2 dealerships that it wouldn’t be a problem for them if I did the oil changes myself. __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

12-29-2018, 11:05 AM	#33
Whocares05050 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Treasure Coast, FL Posts: 384	Does anyone here know of a contact person at GM/CHEVY that can make an official statement about this oil?

12-29-2018, 04:03 PM	#34
johng724 Drives: 2021 Wild Cherry 2SS Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 50	Ok, I'm confused. What do I use on my 2019 SS? First oil change is coming up

12-30-2018, 08:13 AM	#38
CoolbreezeNJ Drives: '18 Hotwheels 2SS Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NJ Posts: 117	Here is what I did noting I have an '18 SS. Manual clearly states use Dexos "Approved" but displays the Dexos Gen2 "logo". Fine then they say go to GMdexos.com where you will find a myriad of "approved oils" . Some are Synthetic Blend others are Full Synthetic and these are the Gen2 approved oils. So that part is easy. Tons of oils in the $20-$30 range/5 qts. I also downloaded the Corvette manuals and again no reference of this super expensive 0W-40 was found in those manuals. Perhaps there is a supplement to the Supercharged LT4 but since i don't own one I wouldn't know. Then I researched Mobil 1 oils and the ESP oil is for Emmission System Performance , e.g. diesel car engines because blow by would hurt the Diesel Particulate Filter, (DPF) . Note however that the diesel engines in say my '17 Silverado don't require that oil. No where could I find that ESP stood for something else nor could I find it was particularly beneficial to your basic naturally aspirated , DI engine. Dexos Gen2 was really developed for DI turbo motors to see if they could bring down valve deposits a little bit. That part was easy to find but how much those deposits go down was a number that I couldn't find. So the Gen2 label is a certification against those deposit tests. So I'm fine doing more of this "research" but I would like to see the 2019 manual. Furthermore if people see in print something different then what I found then by all means let's advance the argument here but from what I have found the oW-40 is a total waste other than for tracking the cars but along those lines I would say somebody has to dive in to find that out as well as I sure didn't stumble across it.

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