12-14-2016, 06:05 PM | #1 |
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To cam or not to cam...
I'm trying to make a difficult decision as I plan out my next set of performance upgrades. At face value I'm very interested in the performance benefits of a custom cam with my SC, but it's a costly upgrade and I don't have anything to compare it to. I don't think there are very many cammed gen6 Camaros out there and I've never driven cammed 6 speed - but I know about rough idles, stalling etc. What I've asked for is to not have my drivability negatively impacted since I enjoy driving the car to work 40 miles each way when the weather is good, and depending on when I leave the office, could find myself in rush hour traffic.
So if I do this, can you guys think of anything that I may not like about the car after it's done? I'm a little hesitant to do it because I'm afraid that I may regret not going more aggressive down the road, or there might be something that I haven't thought of that I'll realize after living with the car.
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12-14-2016, 08:05 PM | #2 |
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12-14-2016, 09:22 PM | #3 |
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I drove a cammed full bolt-on Gen 5 LS3 for 17K miles with no real problems or concerns for drivability. A good tune/tuner for the cam chosen will make all the difference. Mine was road and dyno tuned. I see Jannetty in your sig. He can handle the tune for you - no problem.
The only thing I had to watch was that the engine would lug and surge faster than stock on a coast down in a higher gear. I just had to adjust for that and down shift a little sooner. No biggie. One thing for certain is that the rest of the crowd will know your there in some bumper to bumper rush hour traffic as with your headers to go with the cam idle everyone will know you are there. No sneaking up on anyone.
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12-14-2016, 10:25 PM | #4 |
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Your options are as wide as a six lane highway with that stick car... Just make 228in duration your absolute most and you will be fine...
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12-15-2016, 07:13 AM | #5 |
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the info...you know how it is when are you're about to pull the trigger on something new for the first time I was a little afraid that I may be asking for my cake and wanting to eat it to. I haven't completely made up my mind yet but it's good to hear some positive reinforcement. Seeing that hot cam option that Chevy released for the LT1 is also a good sign, but I know a custom cam from DaVinci himself would be much better. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to go about this long-term.
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12-15-2016, 07:57 AM | #6 |
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Les, what are you trying to accomplish with your car (drag racing, road course, street only, combination of things, or just big power bragging rights). Answer that, and that should be your guide as to what makes sense.
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12-15-2016, 01:32 PM | #7 | |
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Well, I hashed out everything with my personal DaVinci of the Dyno today. Talked through a few different options and a decision was made...I'm going to cam. It's winter here so I'm not going to rush it or go crazy posting updates until it's ready. Parts have to be ordered, we've got to get the car there when the weather permits, etc. I'm staying on 93 octane and just going to shoot for 650-700rwhp so I can still (hopefully) put the power down with my Michelins.
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I'm not going to lie, getting the blower, headers and tune with a 6 speed have made it absolutely intoxicating to drive. I don't make videos or care about one-upping people. I spend the vast majority of my time working, taking care of a severely autistic child, and a 15 year old blind, deaf, one eyed jack russell lol. It's amazing how much downshifting and boost do to help preserve my sanity
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12-15-2016, 01:55 PM | #9 |
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It'll be custom made to ensure drivability and support fueling on 93 octane. There are a lot of components to this, but I'll also be upgrading my fuel system so I can move to a smaller pulley.
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Sounds good. Look forward to hearing about the final results when the time comes.
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12-16-2016, 09:15 PM | #12 |
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I'm asking myself the same question. I've made a lot of power with my mods. Heads/Cam is next. It's just a lot of money to add that power. Not to mention, I can't put the power I have down. It could use a little better top end though and the cam would do that......
Decisions; decisions.
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12-23-2016, 02:28 PM | #13 |
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Good choice on the custom grind. As mentioned by another, don't get into the higher duration and avoid too much overlap to keep the manners in place. Plus the best bet will be an increase in fuel lobe to support future efforts.
Would really love to see you eventually track or drag this car to get some real world metrics out of it. You obviously don't need to be the greatest, but your car has come together really well and to just put a figure on it would be nice to see. If yours was an A8, it would be my favorite build so far. =) |
12-23-2016, 05:26 PM | #14 |
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I did a custom BTR cam, drives great, daily I traffic with no issues, 680 rwhp on 91 pump, I can make more but ran out of low side pump, working on a prototype pump now.
These are a lot of work compared to the LS motors, best advise I can give you is don't shortcut it like a lot of people do. I also went with a smoother idle cam, don't get me wrong its a good size cam just a higher LSA to smooth it out. Oh one more thing, scrap the K&N and get yourself a RotoFab CAI.
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