05-31-2019, 02:38 PM | #15 | |
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If I am buying a drop top I know going into that I am making concessions with certain things. Knowing the trunk is pretty much completely useless with the top down would be a deal breaker for me. Not being able to put some small luggage in the trunk, put the top down and take weekend road trip would suck. Especially knowing there is a similar performing, similar sized, similar cost option available from another make |
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05-31-2019, 09:27 PM | #16 |
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Sorry guys, but the Camaro's interior design and styling is terrible IMO (subjective, obviously). The exaggerated bumps above the gauge cluster are awful looking, and the gauges themselves look very generic. The sea of black plastic looks bad with no contrast. Overall, its styling looks poor compared to the GT's array of textures and better styling. And that steering wheel?? Ick.
Performance is basically identical, skidpad, figure-8 times, acceleration times (0-60 and 1/4 mile), except the GT trapped slightly more mph, not surprising given its slight hp advantage. The Mustang's handling isn't as good feeling, but it's good enough to be just as fast as the SS, despite inspiring less confidence in the driver. Most of the reasons given in the article of why the Mustang won this match-up are many of the reasons I chose Mustang over Camaro last year. That comment about tourists in LA driving convertible Camaros with luggage on their laps is hilarious.
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This was a pp1 GT and the instrumented performance numbers were identical to the ss which is respectable and great news for manual GT guys. However which one was the superior sports car was clearly stated.
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06-02-2019, 10:47 AM | #18 | |
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06-02-2019, 02:38 PM | #19 | |
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Steering wheel? Please ...it’s not 1967. Chevy realized the folly of that in 2010 and dumped the retro steering wheel then. The GT’s rear view mirror also looks like it came form 1967. The Camaro has a frameless, modern mirror that looks like an iPhone display. Now available with integrated rear view camera The SS looks clean and minimalistic. The climate controls buttons in a clean row. The temp dials integrated into the vents. The bright pieces look like brushed nickel. The gen6 interior was the main thing that got me to trade from a gen5 ZL1 to a gen6 2SS.
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1. Once you have a car with a HUD you'll rarely go back to the regular dials. I hardly ever do... and if I spent big bux on an addon package to get fancy digital dash it would have been a waste. My focus is road, hud, road, waze, No cops? OK good, rinse, repeat. 2. When you're driving a vert the less shiny chrome and plastic and more dark matte finishes you have in the interior the better. The Mustang's busy interior and rows of chrome dials and toggles need not apply. The brushed nickel on the Camaro is more than enough. |
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06-02-2019, 07:26 PM | #21 | |
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The Mustang interior is more chunky, but, like we all know, styling and looks are objective (as stated in my previous post). The Camaro SS interior does nothing for me. To each their own.
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06-03-2019, 12:23 AM | #23 | |
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We however can objectively point to our interior winning a 10 best interior award in 2016. (https://subscribers.wardsintelligenc...images-1522521 Your rear view mirror looks like it’s from 1967. The Camaro’s looks modern even without the new (unnecessary) built in camera
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06-03-2019, 07:31 AM | #24 |
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Another review basically saying the same thing. If you are looking for track performance the Camaro is your car, if you are looking for everything else the Mustang is your car.
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06-04-2019, 01:14 AM | #27 |
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I think both cars have good interiors. It is a toss up. I did like my 15 GT convertible Premium's interior. I never had a Camaro convertible. But I think my 17 ZL1 interior is pretty amazing as well. As far as cheap this and cheap that, well these manufacturers have to cut costs somewhere. And it usually is in the interior and the materials used. You know how we always talk about Camaros costing half as much as this or that but performs just as good or better? Well those cars they compete with cost twice as much because they don't cheap out on the interior or the materials used on the cars. So "cheap" should just be thrown out altogether.
I personally buy these cars for the performance. That is number 1. If there were differences in other areas that were drastic then I would take the lesser performing car. But as it is, neither car has any drastic improvement anywhere over the competition. Even in visibility and roominess. Any perceived extra visibility is just a mirage. Both cars have the same exact amount of usable or minimum visibility. One thing I have to point out tho is from my experiences with my 15 GT, the GT convertible is a flimsy car. And the interior, while nice, did not feel durable. My 2010 2SS/RS felt more durable at 40K miles than my GT did when I bought it with 600 miles on it. Now if the 18+s have some drastic suspension and interior improvements over the 15-17s then I would not be able to comment. I do not think that is the case tho. I never drove a vert SS so I cannot say anything in comparison. But from what I know of these two cars, I would be surprised if the Camaro was as bad as the Mustang. Performance-wise I am sure the SS is the better car. From a DD POV I think it comes down to the driver's perferrence. Some people don't care about trunk space. And some are not bothered with the visibility. Likewise some are not concerned with the cheap interiors or the flimsy suspension. So it is kinda useless for them to just pick a car on something subjective when we don't know the percentage of people who are affected. To me the better performing car is the better deal. |
06-04-2019, 08:11 AM | #28 | |
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The Camaro's center stack has modern and minimal switchwork, and the screen looks as modern as the latest iphone. What I DO like about the Mustang's center stack is that the exhaust (if you have the dual-mode exhaust) is a toggle switch, rather than an item burried in a menu system. Personally, I would like to have a more readily accesible way to switch the exhaust mode without changing the mode switch or going through the menu. That's a pretty nit-picky thing, but just my personal preference. |
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