[taylorforschool@gmail.com]

This remind me of an older navy veteran who was walking past my house the other day and he literally stopped to talk to me for 30 minutes and the conversation started with him asking me if I had guns.. just thought it was too good he felt the need to stop and ask me!

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I see Fox news has old people panicking again.

its not the old people that should be concerned.we lived through the 50s and 60s,owned some fabulous cars,not to mention the sex,drugs and rock and roll.and with any luck we will be in the ground before EVs and self driving ubers become the norm.but i hope you will enjoy the new world order...

[90503]

You can read their policies and goals for yourself....Seems ownership is a part of the "problem" as they see it, among other things. They know best. It's the future, it's progressive, so no disagreement or opinions allowed. Just keep moving along...Nothing to see here...It's that pesky private property and ownership that is stifling progress....lol

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...ical-minerals/

Shifting from fossil fuels to renewables requires huge amounts of critical metals.
Recycling alone won't be enough to sustain the amount of materials needed
We need to increase sharing, reuse and a preference for longevity to reduce demand.

Shifting from fossil fuels to renewables requires huge amounts of critical metals.
Recycling alone won't be enough to sustain the amount of materials needed
We need to increase sharing, reuse and a preference for longevity to reduce demand.
We need a clean energy revolution, and we need it now. But this transition from fossil fuels to renewables will need large supplies of critical metals such as cobalt, lithium, nickel, to name a few. Shortages of these critical minerals could raise the costs of clean energy technologies.

One obvious route is to mine more virgin material, but this comes with its own costs and potentially unintended consequences. Another solution commonly discussed is to recycle more and use the metals already in circulation. The complication is that we do not currently have enough metals in circulation, and even with recycling taken into consideration, mineral production is still forecasted to increase by nearly 500%. So how should we proceed?

A fully circular economy is much more than recycling; it is keeping materials at their highest value. It is time to look beyond circular materials. These three mindset changes can help reduce demand for critical metals.

1. Go from owning to using

Be honest, you likely have at least one old mobile phone tucked in the bottom of a drawer. Possibly an unused hard drive taking up space too. You aren’t alone. The average car or van in England is driven just 4% of the time. While most already have a personal phone, 39% of workers globally have employer-provided laptops and mobile phones.

This is not at all resource efficient. More sharing can reduce ownership of idle equipment and thus material usage. Car sharing platforms such as Getaround and BlueSG have already seized that opportunity to offer vehicles where you pay per hour used.

To enable a broader transition from ownership to usership, the way we design things and systems need to change too. For example, car sharing is made possible by new keyless unlocking features. Similarly, user profiles that create a distinction for work and personal use on the same device is needed to reduce the number of devices per person. A design process that focuses on fulfilling the underlying need instead of designing for product purchasing is fundamental to this transition. This is the mindset needed to redesign cities to reduce private vehicles and other usages.

[Ventmaster]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

/rant

While I have qualms about Camaros being referred to as muscle cars, you should avoid anything that can be construed as extreme on either side of the fence. For what it's worth, not everyone who is left leaning wants to take away everything fun or restrict your freedoms, that's dangerous rhetoric that all too often gets resonated within echo chambers on the far side of political spectrums. There are plenty of nut jobs that reside in both parties and I firmly believe that the vast majority of them are out there to bolster their career aspirations on the backs of peoples emotions while doing so via political grandstanding.

People are so damn caught up with their tribalism mentalities of my team vs the other team that we are all worse for it. I know that forums and pages such as these certainly have a political bias that tends to align with itself, unsurprisingly, but it'll do everyone some good to not give into to those baser instincts and fight issues that you agree/disagree with at the voting booth.

/rant off

Don't watch stuff like that. 99% of the time, it's there to pander to extreme thinking and elicit emotional responses. It is, after all, what sells ratings and generates views.

+1. Well said and worth repeating. Fox News is doing their usual job of stirring up shite and trying to maintain ratings.

[keep_hope_alive]

I used to mod a popular audio forum (SoundDomain) back in the mid 2000's. We ran a tight ship and it had no banter, no arguments, and also no incorrect information. The mods were technically capable of discerning correct answers (we allowed opinions when the thread called for opinions). The sections were tidy and answers were quick, accurate, and easy to find. It didn't have much traffic as a result. Turns out, even back then (and still today) what gets people coming back to a thread is banter. The forums that won out allowed banter and thus had more traffic.

Look at this thread and the EV Camaro threads, or any other emotionally charged thread and you'll see a ton of action compared to the other legit threads that most just pass by. Simply put, the site runs on ad revenue and thread clicks generate that. Controversial topics generate revenue.

[jamala00]

Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive

I used to mod a popular audio forum (SoundDomain) back in the mid 2000's. We ran a tight ship and it had no banter, no arguments, and also no incorrect information. The mods were technically capable of discerning correct answers (we allowed opinions when the thread called for opinions). The sections were tidy and answers were quick, accurate, and easy to find. It didn't have much traffic as a result. Turns out, even back then (and still today) what gets people coming back to a thread is banter. The forums that won out allowed banter and thus had more traffic.

Look at this thread and the EV Camaro threads, or any other emotionally charged thread and you'll see a ton of action compared to the other legit threads that most just pass by. Simply put, the site runs on ad revenue and thread clicks generate that. Controversial topics generate revenue.

Yep, you speak the truth.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

This is why I rarely visit Camaro6 anymore. It was fun when the 6th gen was new, but now it's full of Doomers crying that the sky is falling because there's nothing better to do. The 6th gen never ended up seeing much sales success, the last few model years have gone unchanged, the team at GM is fully dissolved, and it's nearing the chopping block in a year or two.

I feel like Camaro5 is at the "acceptance" state in the stages of grief, and Camaro6 place is still very much at the "anger" state. People over at Camaro5 forums are at a point where they are just trying to help each other keep their cars running and don't get into these weird politics.

The 7th Mustang is coming out soon, and it will have a traditional ICE engine. Just saying... don't view a single car's failure as an industry-wide conspiracy.

No disrespect, the Challenger and Charger are also being discontinued.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Ventmaster

+1. Well said and worth repeating. Fox News is doing their usual job of stirring up shite and trying to maintain ratings.

One could say that about all media outlets.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

One could say that about all media outlets.

That is one of the most factual things I have seen today. For the OP as far as that news report is concerned I will gladly defy them and privately own my Camaro, Subaru and future truck. I am an American I am pretty sure myself and fellow citizens have been upsetting Foreign Governments for a long time and that won't change anytime soon.

[RenegadeXR]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

No disrespect, the Challenger and Charger are also being discontinued.

They've already shown off an electric Charger that looks to be nearly production-ready, though. Their hand was kind of forced because they are using a 20+ year old platform for both cars, their product portfolio is extremely small, and they are rushing to catch up to the modern era. They got lucky with Challenger and Charges sales, but it was more of less haphazard and due to nostalgia. They don't even have any future gas engines to use if they wanted to due to a big lapse in R&D. So they are just going fully electric at this point.

The Ford and the Mustang are much closer in terms of business model and target customer to Chevy and the Camaro. Both have steadily developed ICE engines in the last decade, and saw steady sales success. Both brands have future ICE-based cars and EV's planned.

What I am trying to say is, the Camaro just sort of fell off somewhere along the lines during the 6th gen, and it looks like we're poised for a lapse of maybe some years where there will be no planned replacement, and I think that's causing people here to turn their anger toward EV's. But Chevy definitely could make a 7th gen ICE-based Camaro if they felt there was demand -- they continue to make ICE-based trucks and the Corvette engine would be stupid easy to put into a Camaro. It's also not a carbon credit issue -- they sell planty of EV's as-is and will ramp this up big-time in the next couple years with 3 new cars already being announced. I think it's purely a demand issue.

EVs / ride-sharing / the far-off concept of lack of individual ownership of cars isn't the issue here. I think people are just mad the 6th gen is ending, possibly within the next few months, and it's leading to political threads like this.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

No disrespect, the Challenger and Charger are also being discontinued.

My bet is they go to the EV's and find out they can't keep up with production and charging capacity. (Or they already know this..) Because, let's face it, anyone with a brain knows we are currently struggling to power our homes, imagine 2-3 million cars being charged day and night and were going to need a whole lot of lithium to build these things.

Prices will rise and start squeezing people out of private cars and over to mass transit.

And if they don't squeeze you out fast enough, they'll add a tax to help you make better decisions.



https://youtu.be/N-yALPEpV4w

[laynlo15]

Wtf are we doing? You have your car, and no one is going to take it away from you or your Fu--ing guns. Stirring the shit show and believing whatever you read online or some news outlets doesn't do anything but piss more people off. I have plenty of guns but saying we have guns is going to affect anything only makes things worse. Come on, grow the f--k up. Drive your car as you want to and stop this bullshit, take care of your family, vote for who you want and hope after 2024 you can still vote. I'm 70 years old and I've seen it all and this is the worst time of our lives, we hate each other and that's not right, I don't care if your Red or Blue, quit the fu--king hating.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

EVs / ride-sharing / the far-off concept of lack of individual ownership of cars isn't the issue here. I think people are just mad the 6th gen is ending, possibly within the next few months, and it's leading to political threads like this.

Nah, I think it's more the lack of a true successor, be it a 7th gen or another model. The C8 is a wannabe Ferrari lookalike that isn't even that cheap anymore, and EVs that are actually good (the Taycan for example) are priced into the stratosphere even if someone wanted to dip their toes into some EVness, so neither is a realistic option to replace a $40-50K Camaro SS or 1LE or even a $70K ZL1.

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Wtf are we doing? You have your car, and no one is going to take it away from you or your Fu--ing guns. Stirring the shit show and believing whatever you read online or some news outlets doesn't do anything but piss more people off. I have plenty of guns but saying we have guns is going to affect anything only makes things worse. Come on, grow the f--k up. Drive your car as you want to and stop this bullshit, take care of your family, vote for who you want and hope after 2024 you can still vote. I'm 70 years old and I've seen it all and this is the worst time of our lives, we hate each other and that's not right, I don't care if your Red or Blue, quit the fu--king hating.

Well said but the bitterness here is palpable!