08-18-2019, 10:26 AM | #617 |
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have you ever taken a 1LE to the drag strip? and lets be honest, the drag strip itself is 1% of the cars total mileage. i grew up drag racing. you can’t tell me something i don’t already know. comparing a basic bitch ss to a 1LE on a drag strip is asinine.
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08-18-2019, 10:36 AM | #618 |
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me and everyone else in unmodified cars. spoiler: i didn’t buy a 1LE to drag race. just as i wouldn’t buy a c8 to drag race.
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08-18-2019, 10:59 AM | #619 |
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Stick shifts represented 6.8 percent of U.S. vehicle sales in 2012, according to IHS Markit. But that figure tumbled to a 3.5 percent in 2018, IHS projected in September that the percentage of cars sold with a manual transmission would fall to 2.6 percent in 2023. But Fiske said Sales of manual transmissions have been falling for decades – but their drop-off has accelerated in recent years.
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08-18-2019, 11:28 AM | #621 | |
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It gets a bit tiresome when people who apparently place a car's entire worth on its quarter mile stats try to convince everybody else that that's the only thing that matters. It's not. FWIW and for the foreseeable future, you couldn't pry me out of either of my 14-ish second MT cars (or the 15-ish second "spare") for a car with an automatic or other automated transmission. Not even with a guaranteed promise of easy 11's. Norm
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08-18-2019, 11:40 AM | #622 |
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Mustang GT - 50%
Mustang Ecoboost - 20% Camaro and Corvette - 20% And just because . . . WRX/STi - 88% Source (Automobile magazine; should come up on a search): Every 2020 Car Truck and SUV Available with a Manual Transmission The manual may be dying, but there are still options. By: Todd Lassa July 9, 2019 Norm
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08-18-2019, 11:48 AM | #623 | |
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There are other reasons, of course. Lingering effects of 1970's near-total abandonment of performance, the rise in popularity of pickup trucks, minivans and SUVs, today's over-fascination with phones and never not being connected . . . Norm
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08-18-2019, 12:25 PM | #625 | |
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That drag race talk is just stupid crap , want to drag race than build your own its not that hard . I don't get some people and their lame crap .
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08-18-2019, 12:27 PM | #627 | |
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08-18-2019, 01:04 PM | #629 | |
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You are just out of any future performance car because of a manual is just not fast enough when it comes to err PERFORMACE. 1/4, drag race, street fight and probably most types of racing, from a roll, everyday acceleration the DCT is BETTER. You are absolutely correct that when NOT using maximum performance there is nothing "wrong" with a manual. Most cars sold are not performance cars, obviously many people buy performance cars because of performance.... I know that concept is a bit strange to you. Maybe you should actually drive a modern car with an auto. Clearly, an 11-year-old Mustang and a WRX (an archaic joke of a car), have left you disconnected to the reality of modern performance.
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08-18-2019, 01:11 PM | #630 | |
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"Not that hard" by somebody that has not done it. Lastly, there are 1LE at my local autoX and road race, so far I have not been impressed. Maybe they need a larger track dunno. Maybe the old geezer drivers that own them just can't shift anymore So far there seems to be two guys on a older Mustang owner and a 1LE owner, that are insistent that performance only counts when it comes to them and their cars, but can't count when it comes to the C8. I for one think the C8 will destroy both of your cars from street to race to everything in-between. If you can't afford one great, neither can I. But obviously the performance derived from the mid-engine layout and the DCT are a game-changer PERIOD. That Chevy decided on NOT spending money on a transmission that can't offer the same performance. That Chevy can deliver said car for under 60K!!!!! Come guys it would seem you anger is miss directed. There has always been better, faster and in this case better looking. At some point in time you have to pay to play. No my muscle car is not "slower" since the announcement of the C8, but it is now regulated to a 2nd tier status for sure. That is the REALITY of the situation. This is just like American Gaffitty, growing up we all knew there was such a thing as a Shelby Road Cobra, I never saw one, I wanted one, I dreamed of building my own kit car. I knew it was a car that clearly outperformed anything I could cobble together. But in the real world, nobody had one, so yep you could build a 340 to dominate most of the street (there is always faster) Well, the reality is back except this time, IT IS REAL, there will lots of them c8 sat 40K and more and more each year. I is a game-changer and teenage boys are going to be putting up posters of the C8 in their room vs hemi Cuda, Hellcats et all. Heck given what my son is making out of UT ME as an intern, these boys can buy one 1 day out of college. I can see my grandkid ask why would anybody stick a heavy engine in front of a performance car grandpa? Seems kind of silly. Almost like having a stick in the transmission so you can poke the gears around! Crazy talk.
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