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Old 01-01-2021, 11:34 AM   #29
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We should have Randy do the time with the A10 ZL1/1LE.

The Manual ZL1/1LE did 1:34 at Laguna so I am think the A10 should be a little more faster.
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Old 01-01-2021, 01:36 PM   #30
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I’d take a GT500 over a regular ZL1 for the same $$ new but that will never happen.
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Old 01-01-2021, 04:49 PM   #31
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I’d take a GT500 over a regular ZL1 for the same $$ new but that will never happen.
I think most people would take a base GT500 over a ZL1 for the same price (maybe not most people on this forum, but I would bet many of them would).

I'm curious - how about at msrp (assuming one could get a GT500 for msrp)?

I went with a ZL1 because it is near the performance of the GT500, 250 lbs lighter, and quite a bit less expensive. I like the interior of the ZL1 better than the GT500 as well. Honestly, my GT Premium interior feels nicer than the GT500 I've sat in because of the metal look trim/buttons, and the spun aluminum accents that my car has. Anyway, the MSRP of my ZL1 build is $68,935 with gas guzzler tax (shadow gray metallic, A10, CF exposed hood insert, Premium info. w/ Nav, and CF shift knob cover). A comparable build GT500 (essentially a base GT500 w/ tech. package and gas guzzler tax) is $79,695.

I understand for that extra $11k in the GT500 you're getting at least 110 more hp (more like 120-130 extra hp in reality), a dual clutch trans., a digital gauge cluster (not important to me), and a CF driveshaft.

However, the reality of the pricing is that I was able to negotiate a dealer discount in addition to the GM rebates that might be in effect when my ZL1 arrives (est. in March - keeping my fingers crossed for some decent rebates at the time). For me, at a discount below msrp+potential GM rebates, the ZL1 becomes a lot more appealing over the real-life prices GT500s are going for.

The GT500 is a beast no doubt, but you gotta pay to play!
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Old 01-01-2021, 05:24 PM   #32
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I think most people would take a base GT500 over a ZL1 for the same price (maybe not most people on this forum, but I would bet many of them would).

I'm curious - how about at msrp (assuming one could get a GT500 for msrp)?

I went with a ZL1 because it is near the performance of the GT500, 250 lbs lighter, and quite a bit less expensive. I like the interior of the ZL1 better than the GT500 as well. Honestly, my GT Premium interior feels nicer than the GT500 I've sat in because of the metal look trim/buttons, and the spun aluminum accents that my car has. Anyway, the MSRP of my ZL1 build is $68,935 with gas guzzler tax (shadow gray metallic, A10, CF exposed hood insert, Premium info. w/ Nav, and CF shift knob cover). A comparable build GT500 (essentially a base GT500 w/ tech. package and gas guzzler tax) is $79,695.

I understand for that extra $11k in the GT500 you're getting at least 110 more hp (more like 120-130 extra hp in reality), a dual clutch trans., a digital gauge cluster (not important to me), and a CF driveshaft.

However, the reality of the pricing is that I was able to negotiate a dealer discount in addition to the GM rebates that might be in effect when my ZL1 arrives (est. in March - keeping my fingers crossed for some decent rebates at the time). For me, at a discount below msrp+potential GM rebates, the ZL1 becomes a lot more appealing over the real-life prices GT500s are going for.

The GT500 is a beast no doubt, but you gotta pay to play!
Both at MSRP, I’m buying the ZL1. The intangibles with the GT500 don’t tickle me $11k worth.
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Old 01-01-2021, 09:39 PM   #33
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Not to take away from the beast that is the GT500, but I feel like a car with 100 hp (and 3 years of development) advantage should have a bigger gap than .46 seconds.
Yes, and as impressive as that was it's also a dct vs an m6. On top of 110hp extra and 2 years of development more. Impressive non the less, but let's keep things in perspective.
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Old 01-01-2021, 09:40 PM   #34
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I feel like one of the Porsche's or the C8 gets it.

By the way, on that C8 Z51.... 1:37.83. The SS 1LE put down a 1:37.78 when it was running in Best Driver's Car. Less about the exact time and more about the relative time - the SS 1LE is still proving to be the best track car for the money...

I wonder where the A10 ZL1 1LE stands at Laguna in Randy's hands? I'd bet the time in comparison to the GT500 us real close - basically on top of each other.
That was my big take away, just how good the ss 1le is. Not for nothing but when the c8 came out quite a few people called the fact that an ss 1le would be a good match on a lot of tracks and a c7 GS would beat it at most.

Might have been when the Chuckwalla times were posted and weren't any better than some amateur unofficial ss 1le laps iirc.
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Old 01-01-2021, 09:45 PM   #35
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I'm gonna have to say that performance for dollar and with all things counted including options, the current available C8s (Base and Z51) are the best value hands down. Second place goes to the ZL1.

No matter how anyone slices it GM makes the best value of cars on the planet.
Nahh, those are definately good and its GM all day but you can get new 1ss 1le's in the 35-38 range. For all around performance not just straight line, since lap times are being discussed, that's hard to beat.
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Old 01-02-2021, 08:30 PM   #36
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I think most people would take a base GT500 over a ZL1 for the same price (maybe not most people on this forum, but I would bet many of them would).

I'm curious - how about at msrp (assuming one could get a GT500 for msrp)?

I went with a ZL1 because it is near the performance of the GT500, 250 lbs lighter, and quite a bit less expensive. I like the interior of the ZL1 better than the GT500 as well. Honestly, my GT Premium interior feels nicer than the GT500 I've sat in because of the metal look trim/buttons, and the spun aluminum accents that my car has. Anyway, the MSRP of my ZL1 build is $68,935 with gas guzzler tax (shadow gray metallic, A10, CF exposed hood insert, Premium info. w/ Nav, and CF shift knob cover). A comparable build GT500 (essentially a base GT500 w/ tech. package and gas guzzler tax) is $79,695.

I understand for that extra $11k in the GT500 you're getting at least 110 more hp (more like 120-130 extra hp in reality), a dual clutch trans., a digital gauge cluster (not important to me), and a CF driveshaft.

However, the reality of the pricing is that I was able to negotiate a dealer discount in addition to the GM rebates that might be in effect when my ZL1 arrives (est. in March - keeping my fingers crossed for some decent rebates at the time). For me, at a discount below msrp+potential GM rebates, the ZL1 becomes a lot more appealing over the real-life prices GT500s are going for.

The GT500 is a beast no doubt, but you gotta pay to play!

If money wasn't a factor and I had a choice I too probably would go with a Gt500. Or I'd just get a 2019 ZR1 or c8 vette.
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Old 01-03-2021, 09:47 AM   #37
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If it was the same price as the ZL1 then I would probably still get the ZL1 just because it has all the options the GT500 has plus a lot more options that are not available on the GT500. That is if I had to pick only one. If I could buy a GT500 right now for ZL1 money then I absolutely would.

Same with the HC. I would pick the HC over the GT500 just because of better options. I also do not think the DCT is all that on the GT500. I mean, it is just an expensive option and I don't see any advantage that it gave the GT500 over the competition. The A10 is lightning fast as it is and allows the ZL1 to be geared perfectly. Same with the A8 in the HC. Ford would have been better off putting a modified A8 or A10 in the GT500 and keeping the price down. But with that trans it just seems misplaced...like a clown wearing a tuxedo.

And yes you gotta pay to play. But I will not overpay to play. Idaho got his ZL1 for $10K cheaper than he would have gotten a GT500. Again, that is with the same options plus options the GT500 doesn't have. That extra $10K in mods will get him to over 800 RWHP on pump gas and over 900 on race or E85. Put that same money in the GT500 and you'll still be right around the same level of power but heavier. And then we're already seeing those engines starting to have failures while the ZL1 is pretty solid. So there is no advantage even when modding the GT500. You're just gonna spend even more money.
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MotorTrend's Best Driver's car is in progress now with the GT500. Looks like it ran a 1:33.84 at Laguna Seca.

See performance #s here and video:
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...ers-car-video/

For comparison, the ZL1 1LE (6spd manual version) ran a 1:34.30 at Laguna Seca in the 2017 BDC competition: https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...t-drivers-car/

Also, I think the Car and Driver Lightning Lap will be out in January (for Feb edition), so should have a VIR lap time comparison.

I would love to see the Camaro ZL1 (non 1LE) VS Shelby GT500 (non CFTP). Both of them on Summer tires. I'm sure that the ZL1 would have a faster lap time at the track.
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I’d like to see a test of average lap time over 10 laps, simulating a typical run session at a HPDE type event. That would be a test of real world performance, not just a one-lap wonder. Can the brakes handle the heat, are the tires being overworked, cooling systems up to the task, etc. I doubt the 500 could even do 10 laps without having to stop for fuel...
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That was my big take away, just how good the ss 1le is. Not for nothing but when the c8 came out quite a few people called the fact that an ss 1le would be a good match on a lot of tracks and a c8 GS would beat it at most.

Might have been when the Chuckwalla times were posted and weren't any better than some amateur unofficial ss 1le laps iirc.

Per Savagegesse's video. The C7 GS had a better lap time compared to the C8 Z51.

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That one generated a 300+ post thread of discontent on the Mustang forum. Most of his comments about consumables apply to the ZLE as well, though.
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Per Savagegesse's video. The C7 GS had a better lap time compared to the C8 Z51.

Both on Summer tires
This is what I was referring to.. I meant c7 GS beating the c8 z51.
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