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Old 01-26-2021, 01:03 PM   #99
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So. I've been thinking about this A LOT for the past few months, and I have decided that my next car will be electric. But I'm keeping my Camaro forever. Nothing can replace what it means to me or how much I enjoy it.
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I am someone who obsessively loves my current V8 stick shift car. That being said, I would really like to see what an electric Camaro can be. I hope Al O. has been overseeing that. Guess we'll find out.
Agreed! I miss Al O also. And I plan to keep my LT1 M6 until I move on. I won't be driving a battery car for fun. But I can listen to an audio book while charging up for the next 200 miles of a trip.

Gasoline will be going away. But, the plans already are to make America the biggest supplier of EV vehicles which will create Jobs!! Here in the US with unions for Americans! I think everyone here can get behind this EV opportunity. I think GM is on board with that. And also fixiing our highways and infrastructure. More jobs!!
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:12 PM   #100
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Agreed! I miss Al O also. And I plan to keep my LT1 M6 until I move on. I won't be driving a battery car for fun. But I can listen to an audio book while charging up for the next 200 miles of a trip.

Gasoline will be going away. But, the plans already are to make America the biggest supplier of EV vehicles which will create Jobs!! Here in the US with unions for Americans! I think everyone here can get behind this EV opportunity. I think GM is on board with that. And also fixiing our highways and infrastructure. More jobs!!
I hope you are just being sarcastic, Fraxum.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:21 PM   #101
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I waiver back and forth on this. On one hand GM has a huge opportunity to bring an affordable electric sports car to the market. That can be a successful move if they are a front runner.

On the other hand I dunno how I feel about them calling it a Camaro. I think they'd be better served giving it an all new name and starting a new legacy. However I don't see them selling it side by side with an internal combustion Camaro. The Camaro (as we know it) is done.

I hope they don't give it a fake V8 sound though. I'm actually ok with some kind of fake sound, but I'd rather it sound a turbine engine or some shit. Just don't make it sound like any other internal combustion engine you typically find in a car.

EDIT: For what it's worth I will seriously consider the new car if it's a better coupe. As much as I love my Camaro, I don't think I'll be purchasing another without few more adjustments--namely a little more back seat legroom and a better trunk opening (I would love a liftback like 3rd gen and 4th gen). Also GM needs to give it better visibility if they want it to sell. Yes, we all learned to deal with the visiblity, but we are an exception. You average shopper is gonna jump in the car, say I can't see shit, and jump out. They aren't going to give it a chance.

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Old 01-26-2021, 01:38 PM   #102
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I waiver back and forth on this. On one hand GM has a huge opportunity to bring an affordable electric sports car to the market. That can be a successful move if they are a front runner.

On the other hand I dunno how I feel about them calling it a Camaro. I think they'd be better served giving it an all new name and starting a new legacy. However I don't see them selling it side by side with an internal combustion Camaro. The Camaro (as we know it) is done.

I hope they don't give it a fake V8 sound though. I'm actually ok with some kind of fake sound, but I'd rather it sound a turbine engine or some shit. Just don't make it sound like any other internal combustion engine you typically find in a car.

EDIT: For what it's worth I will seriously consider the new car if it's a better coupe. As much as I love my Camaro, I don't think I'll be purchasing another without few more adjustments--namely a little more back seat legroom and a better trunk opening (I would love a liftback like 3rd gen and 4th gen). Also GM needs to give it better visibility if they want it to sell. Yes, we all learned to deal with the visiblity, but we are an exception. You average shopper is gonna jump in the car, say I can't see shit, and jump out. They aren't going to give it a chance.
Sounds like you need a Camry
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:50 PM   #103
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Sounds like you need a Camry

Or or or a Dodge Challenger, which has pretty much everything I mentioned and has been killing the Camaro in sales.


I just don't want a FCA product.


If Toyota mad a RWD electric sports car with everything I mentioned I would be all over it.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:55 PM   #104
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Or or or a Dodge Challenger, which has pretty much everything I mentioned and has been killing the Camaro in sales.


I just don't want a FCA product.


If Toyota mad a RWD electric sports car with everything I mentioned I would be all over it.
And a 392 Challenger weighs about 4400lbs. 2 different cars for 2 different things.

And visibility is not better and we can have a whole different discussion about why sales of Challenger are better. Hell the RAM is out selling the Silverado.

ANNNNNNNDDD, Challenger has no convertible
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Old 01-26-2021, 02:12 PM   #105
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Or or or a Dodge Challenger, which has pretty much everything I mentioned and has been killing the Camaro in sales.


I just don't want a FCA product.


If Toyota mad a RWD electric sports car with everything I mentioned I would be all over it.
How can anyone call the Challenger a sports car? Really, the Camaro isn't supposed to be either, just a sporty coupe, and the Challenger doesn't even fit that. It's an affordable-ish personal luxury coupe that markets it's muscle editions well.

You're from Pittsburgh. Do you actually enjoy that car on tighter back roads? A sporty coupe has to be able to do that. Good luck with a Challenger or something pricey with 500+ lbs. of dead weight (But, it's low-CG!).

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Old 01-26-2021, 02:17 PM   #106
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And a 392 Challenger weighs about 4400lbs. 2 different cars for 2 different things.

And visibility is not better and we can have a whole different discussion about why sales of Challenger are better. Hell the RAM is out selling the Silverado.

ANNNNNNNDDD, Challenger has no convertible

If we're talking electric sports cars then the weight is going up. That seems to be a given with today's technology.



An electric Camaro (or whatever) may weigh as much as a current gen Challenger. I'd still take the Camaro.


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How can anyone call the Challenger a sports car? Really, the Camaro isn't supposed to be either, just a sporty coupe, and the Challenger doesn't even fit that. It's an affordable-ish personal luxury coupe that markets it's muscle editions well.

Isn't drag racing a sport? Muscle cars have been lumped in with sports cars since forever.
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Old 01-26-2021, 02:34 PM   #107
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If we're talking electric sports cars then the weight is going up. That seems to be a given with today's technology.



An electric Camaro (or whatever) may weigh as much as a current gen Challenger. I'd still take the Camaro.





Isn't drag racing a sport? Muscle cars have been lumped in with sports cars since forever.
The sports car context is from road racing, small to GT 2-seaters.
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I think everyone here can get behind this EV opportunity.
You obviously haven't read a single thing many of us have written on these forums.
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Old 01-26-2021, 04:09 PM   #109
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The Camaro gaining weight is no problem in this era. The Mach E is mid 4000s and it's said to handle much better than the regular Mustang. The Taycan weights near 5000 lbs, yet it handles like any other Porsche. The ZL1 weighs 4100 pounds, and it handles just fine. A 4000 lbs EV would be no different, and the electric motor acceleration would compensate for any weight gain.

While I am not entirely comfortable with the idea GM is heading with the new Camaro, I would say I am ready to embrace the future. But, I am not sure who would want to live in a future where you can't easily mod a Camaro.
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Old 01-26-2021, 04:19 PM   #110
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I'd be onboard for a test drive with a few caveats:

* Has to look the part
* Has to perform; power, speed, twisties
* Respectable range.

If I like it, I'm in. If it's some goofy s***box that rings of anime, hard pass.
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If we're talking electric sports cars then the weight is going up. That seems to be a given with today's technology.



An electric Camaro (or whatever) may weigh as much as a current gen Challenger. I'd still take the Camaro.





Isn't drag racing a sport? Muscle cars have been lumped in with sports cars since forever.
I am not starting trouble with you, I should have said that from the get-go. Just good debate.

As for electric "sports cars" yes the weight will go up but because of the CG they can still handle very well vs a traditional engine car of same weight
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The Camaro gaining weight is no problem in this era. The Mach E is mid 4000s and it's said to handle much better than the regular Mustang. The Taycan weights near 5000 lbs, yet it handles like any other Porsche. The ZL1 weighs 4100 pounds, and it handles just fine. A 4000 lbs EV would be no different, and the electric motor acceleration would compensate for any weight gain.

While I am not entirely comfortable with the idea GM is heading with the new Camaro, I would say I am ready to embrace the future. But, I am not sure who would want to live in a future where you can't easily mod a Camaro.
Because of the CG.
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