[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

A+ comeback. Right on par for what I would expect from you.

Did you want to talk about cars or push your elitism?

What elitism? I don't own a Camaro. Sorry. I'm just a pauper. Can't afford supercars.

You never did answer the question though.

Oh and by talk cars did you want to talk about how all cars but the Camaro are complete and utter shit, or did you want to actually have an adult conversation?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

how bout this one?
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...take-road-test

no boat pulling? emphasis on track duty?

I can produce plenty of other examples. some motors dont need modification to perform well in a truck. the LS7 would make a poor truck motor compared to the LT1.

Welcome back 2005. So you can produce plenty of other examples yet you had to dig all the way back 13 years ago?

To answer your question that you're stretching soo hard to reach, this wasn't a truck engine thrown into a Viper. This was a Viper (supercar) engine that was thrown into a truck. That is a huge difference than calling a LT1 a truck engine. That V10 had been in the Vipers since early 90s. And it had been updated over the years. Then they took that engine and placed it into a truck. Get it?

Originally Posted by Nabush

He is just a complete GM/camaro fanboy

As a French guy, from the outside it is really funny to see this brand talibanism on both sides I mean

And again, even if he is a fanboy, what is wrong with that? Please, give me one legitimate reason why that is a bad thing. Since you guys like to throw that around. What is wrong about a Camaro fanboy being on a forum dedicated to Camaro? Or are you just talking out your ass and trying to insult someone?

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

100% wrong here. Camaro owners were complaining that the 350R had an unfair advantage with its carbon fiber wheels. Tires have been a complaint on comparisons with every matchup that comes out.

I guarantee if the PP2 keeps up or beats the 1LE, owners here are going to pull the tire card like gangbusters.

Where did we make these complaints? Link please.

Originally Posted by Zodiac

So is it a Crustang, Rustang, or a Mustang? It's so hard to have a constructive conversation with someone who has an intellectual disability.

My favorite part about the 5.0 (feminine engine?) vs LT1 (truck engine?) vs 392 (boat engine?) is at least it doesn't have AFM/DoD/MDS or whatever the manufacturer wants to call it.

Yea Ford just detunes the shit out of them, kills the throttle percentage, and then you have to option the hell out of it to get the one that does their claimed 0-60 in under 4 seconds. And still end up with a mid 12 sec car on crappy tires that can't handle.

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Originally Posted by Chadicus

Keeps up for how long? 1 lap? Maybe 2 in December because it has no cooling? A car designed in secret during off duty time beating a 1LE is laughable. If you think 305 Cup 2s a 26 pounds of downforce spoiler and "police" brakes is all the GT needs to keep up with the 1LE then you guys are drunk off unicorn piss.

You make a very strong argument for the 1LE. I do believe you nailed it. 1LE with elsd, cooling and Nürburgring tuning vs off hour work

[SociallyAwk]

Let's all group hug and kumbaya.

[seanblurr]

I guess I don't understand the point of bitching back and forth over a car. We all have our own money and can choose what we please. Luckily, we live in a time where Chevy and Ford are making awesome cars. Also, just because Motortrend says something, doesn't really mean it's objectively true.

I will freely admit that I am a big fan of what both of these companies are doing. The competition is great.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Welcome back 2005. So you can produce plenty of other examples yet you had to dig all the way back 13 years ago?

To answer your question that you're stretching soo hard to reach, this wasn't a truck engine thrown into a Viper. This was a Viper (supercar) engine that was thrown into a truck. That is a huge difference than calling a LT1 a truck engine.

so trucks didnt benefit from specific engine parameters all the way back in 2006?

they put the Viper and now Hellcat/6.4L engines unchanged in trucks/Large SUV's because they deliver power in a way that meets the demands of those vehicles.

I chose the SRT-10 because its the most black and white example. Truck engine requirements have remained basically unchanged since their inception.

I never called the LT1 a truck engine and it is not. the L86 is the truck version of the LT1

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

so trucks didnt benefit from specific engine parameters all the way back in 2006?

they put the Viper and now Hellcat/6.4L engines unchanged in trucks/Large SUV's because they deliver power in a way that meets the demands of those vehicles.

I chose the SRT-10 because its the most black and white example. Truck engine requirements have remained basically unchanged since their inception.

I never called the LT1 a truck engine and it is not. the L86 is the truck version of the LT1

Wait, wutt? They put the Viper and Hellcat engines into trucks because they wanted to make trucks with muscle car performance.

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

so trucks didnt benefit from specific engine parameters all the way back in 2006?

they put the Viper and now Hellcat/6.4L engines unchanged in trucks/Large SUV's because they deliver power in a way that meets the demands of those vehicles.

I chose the SRT-10 because its the most black and white example. Truck engine requirements have remained basically unchanged since their inception.

You're pointing to these trucks/SUVs that have received engines that were originally built for cars. So no, your examples are completely the opposite of what you're trying to say. Truck engines are built to different specs and with different parameters than Muscle Car engines. These are NOT truck engines. They are Muscle car engines that were put into trucks and were built specifically for performance. Hellcat engine, put into a SUV designed for luxury and performance (not even a truck BTW). Hemi 6.4, put into a SRT Grand Cherokee designed for performance (still not a truck). Viper V10, supercar engine that was put into a truck. So your examples are way off.

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I never called the LT1 a truck engine and it is not. the L86 is the truck version of the LT1

Then why the hell are you even debating this? My statement was in direct to someone saying the LT1 engine was like a truck engine. All your examples are off and you're clearly saying they have nothing in common which means you agree with me. So if anything you should be saying this to troll boy Zeke below. He clearly has no idea WTF he's talking about.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

The LT1 seems to have more of a truck type quality than what would be expected in a sports car (Corvette).

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

There's no shame in how the LT1 makes it's power

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

Everything I said was true, that is not some veiled personal attack of some sort.

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by seanblurr

I guess I don't understand the point of bitching back and forth over a car. We all have our own money and can choose what we please. Luckily, we live in a time where Chevy and Ford are making awesome cars. Also, just because Motortrend says something, doesn't really mean it's objectively true.

I will freely admit that I am a big fan of what both of these companies are doing. The competition is great.

That is an awesome combination of cars. Would love to read a owners comparison between the two! Not a magazine or internet benchracer opinion.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You're pointing to these trucks/SUVs that have received engines that were originally built for cars. So no, your examples are completely the opposite of what you're trying to say. Truck engines are built to different specs and with different parameters than Muscle Car engines. These are NOT truck engines. They are Muscle car engines that were put into trucks and were built specifically for performance. Hellcat engine, put into a SUV designed for luxury and performance (not even a truck BTW). Hemi 6.4, put into a SRT Grand Cherokee designed for performance (still not a truck). Viper V10, supercar engine that was put into a truck. So your examples are way off.

those engines were put into trucks because they are low rpm engines that produce broad torque curves. being a muscle car engine is irrelevant.

the LT1 delivers power in a way that better suits a truck than the coyote for example. doesnt make it a truck engine but if you had to pick between the two the LT1 is the clear choice.

theres no such thing as a truck or muscle car engine.

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

those engines were put into trucks because they are low rpm engines that produce broad torque curves. being a muscle car engine is irrelevant.

the LT1 delivers power in a way that better suits a truck than the coyote for example. doesnt make it a truck engine but if you had to pick between the two the LT1 is the clear choice.

theres no such thing as a truck or muscle car engine.

I have never heard such nonsense in my entire life. You sound like you're trying to talk around your previous statement in an ill-fated attempt to save face. Those engines were put into trucks and SUVs because the vehicles were built for street performance. If the vehicles were built for towing and other heavy duty truck stuff then they would have built or re-worked the engine to suit those purposes. And it isn't about which engine is better suited for a truck. Neither of those engines are truck engines no matter how you try to spin it. Zeke talked out his ass when he made that statement. And your stretching everything you can to back him up just puts you right in the same boat as him.

For the record, Coyote engine in the Mustang...car engine. Coyote engine in the F150...truck engine. Completely different engines. Could I take a F150 Coyote and sell it as a Mustang Coyote engine? Or is it a truck engine? If someone asked me if it was a truck Coyote engine should I say "no"? Guess what. The F150 Coyote has a different cam, different tune, different exhaust manifolds, different oil cooling system, different front cover, is tuned for towing, etc. Why? Because it is a truck engine and is in a truck designed for towing. The SRT10 truck and Trackhawk are NOT designed for towing and those engines were in a Supercar and Muscle Car before they were put into vehicles designed for street performance. What do you find soo confusing about that?

[seanblurr]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

That is an awesome combination of cars. Would love to read a owners comparison between the two! Not a magazine or internet benchracer opinion.

I can give ya one

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by seanblurr

I can give ya one

I would love to read it! Maybe shoot a PM or do you have a thread here?

[Razzaa]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

theres no such thing as a truck or muscle car engine.

LOL what?