[Steph93lx]

For those who seem to like facts....

2011-2017 stock Mustang GT are slower than stock 2016+ Camaro

Do I really care... no, because I don't keep my car bone stock and 2011+ Mustang GT respond very well to bolts on.

Now for those of you who stock performance is really important...


The first 2018 GT's only arrived to dealers a month ago. Customer retail order start to be produced only this week. The majority will received their 2018 Mustang in 2-8 weeks then I guess half of them will have to wait like me a couple months before bring it to the track because of the winter.

Even then with very few car having seen the track including maybe like 6-7 we are aware off, among those all ran low 12's 117-119.5 mph in -1000 to +1300 DA and already 1 of those car have is 6 run all in 11's with the most loaded heaviest 2018 GT trim with is best run in +300 400 DA!!

In the meantine 5-7 camaro6g that we are aware off in 2 year have run less than 12.0 all stock. Many in avearage in much better DA.

Does it look like that in stock form the 2018 Mustang GT is faster than a camaro6g ... well it certainly look like it! Does it destroy the Camaro.. hell no but... LOL

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

For those who seem to like facts....

2011-2017 stock Mustang GT are slower than stock 2016+ Camaro

Do I really care... no, because I don't keep my car bone stock and 2011+ Mustang GT respond very well to bolts on.

Now for those of you who stock performance is really important...


The first 2018 GT's only arrived to dealers a month ago. Customer retail order start to be produced only this week. The majority will received their 2018 Mustang in 2-8 weeks then I guess half of them will have to wait like me a couple months before bring it to the track because of the winter.

Even then with very few car having seen the track including maybe like 6-7 we are aware off, among those all ran low 12's 117-119.5 mph in -1000 to +1300 DA and already 1 of those car have is 6 run all in 11's with the most loaded heaviest 2018 GT trim with is best run in +300 400 DA!!

In the meantine 4-5 camaro6g that we are aware off in 2 year have run less than 12.3 all stock. Many in much better DA.

Does it look like that in stock form the 2018 Mustang GT is faster than a camaro6g ... well it certainly look like it! Does it destroy the Camaro.. hell no but... LOL

you cant even get in the top 25 without a pass under 12.3. out of the entire list of 30

12.3 is the slowest time on the fast list.

where do you get your facts ? lol

you skip past all the timeframe arguments when nearly every pass so far has been with great prep. And good air. An SS in DA around 1000 will run bottom 12s to high 11s almost every time with a dead hook. I OWN ONE. but I never tracked it with stock tires. didn't have the patience. and on most nights...don't have the prep. but I did run 11.8 my very first time out in positive DA with tire and cai. 11.68 in negative DA.

I take it you haven't launched a stock SS on stock tires? Without track prep like rental quality you wont be running above average times. I think you underestimate how hard it is. launch control wont get you crap for a 60 compared to without and a full throttle launch.

that's one of the reasons I mention the rental thing. while yes plenty of times a regular night can have great prep. but also plenty of times not. so average times will be much lower on regular nights. Milan don't even use VHT other than the very beginning if it is just a normal test track night. if sportsman is running the prep is usually good. but I have had nights I cant even hook on a very aggressive DR on test and tune.

cliff notes...the timeframe and average time argument is moot when every car is running on great prep, good air and good drivers etc. the average will be higher. your 12.3 estimate is way off...its a bottom of the list time. slower than average in fact. 12.1 is an average time for an SS.

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

he had plenty of people following him for a while. don't act like you don't remember.

not fair when things get generalized is it? hmmm

Huh? Yeah he had followers here, M6G, etc.

There were people who believed him, but far more that hated him. He might have been the first person I ever added to the ignore list on a forum.

Why are you so defensive?

[Steph93lx]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

you cant even get in the top 25 without a pass under 12.3. out of the entire list of 30

12.3 is the slowest time on the fast list.

where do you get your facts ? lol

you skip past all the timeframe arguments when nearly every pass so far has been with great prep. And good air. An SS in DA around 1000 will run bottom 12s to high 11s almost every time with a dead hook. I OWN ONE. but I never tracked it with stock tires. didn't have the patience. and on most nights...don't have the prep. but I did run 11.8 my very first time out in positive DA with tire and cai. 11.68 in negative DA.

I take it you haven't launched a stock SS on stock tires? Without track prep like rental quality you wont be running above average times. I think you underestimate how hard it is. launch control wont get you crap for a 60 compared to without and a full throttle launch.

that's one of the reasons I mention the rental thing. while yes plenty of times a regular night can have great prep. but also plenty of times not. so average times will be much lower on regular nights. Milan don't even use VHT other than the very beginning if it is just a normal test track night. if sportsman is running the prep is usually good. but I have had nights I cant even hook on a very aggressive DR on test and tune.

cliff notes...the timeframe and average time argument is moot when every car is running on great prep, good air and good drivers etc. the average will be higher. your 12.3 estimate is way off...its a bottom of the list time. slower than average in fact. 12.1 is an average time for an SS.

Lol I wanted to write 12.0. I fixed it

I also get some days at the dragstrip with less grip. Maybe my average would have been better on track rental day but at the end as far as best time it make no difference for me, that's why I don't believe in the track rental argument. I think the same way for a camaro6 or any other car track rental.

Again the pro driver argument with a automatic not for me. Now if Evan Smith had done the same with a manual now I would have say yes.
I keep telling people that a m6 is always faster than a automatic without a aftermarket converter. This is just true do if the guy is a freak of a driver lol.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Huh? Yeah he had followers here, M6G, etc.

There were people who believed him, but far more that hated him. He might have been the first person I ever added to the ignore list on a forum.

Why are you so defensive?

hypocrisy is one of my biggest pet peeves. it bugs me at times. nothing personal man

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

Lol I wanted to write 12.0. I fixed it

I also get some days at the dragstrip with less grip. Maybe my average would have been better on track rental day but at the end as far as best time it make no difference for me, that's why I don't believe in the track rental argument. I think the same way for a camaro6 or any other car track rental.

the track rental argument doesn't apply to maximum best time I agree

but what is mostly being thrown around is look how fast already and only so many cars and look at this etc . look how fast it has gone so quickly so far etc etc

track rental at this time of year with good drivers is in fact paramount in arguing that because every car will be doing better than average. and it is in fact the reason for it. not that the car cant do it or because it cant be replicated ever again. its not cheating either.

[Steph93lx]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

the track rental argument doesn't apply to maximum best time I agree

but what is mostly being thrown around is look how fast already and only so many cars and look at this etc . look how fast it has gone so quickly so far etc etc

track rental at this time of year with good drivers is in fact paramount in arguing that because every car will be doing better than average. and it is in fact the reason for it. not that the car cant do it or because it cant be replicated ever again. its not cheating either.

6g Camaro that have run in 11's have run for the majority in great DA and looking at their 60ft they hook great again for the majority track rental or not.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Ford sent a ringer. You trying to tell me there were no gt’s in The whole state of Florida that they had to go all the way to Michigan?
I’m sure Ford had that car in top notch power shape.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Honesty, because it comes up by you any many others in every single one of these threads. The generalization is done because you (and others) keep on bringing it up as a caveat to the runs. It's one more thing some of you seem to be hanging on to....hoping that it somehow won't be able to be repeated on non-track rental outings.

I'm not "hoping". I'm flat out saying it won't.

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

Does it look like that in stock form the 2018 Mustang GT is faster than a camaro6g ... well it certainly look like it! Does it destroy the Camaro.. hell no but... LOL

Doesn't look that way to me. But keep on dreaming.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

6g Camaro that have run in 11's have run for the majority in great DA and looking at their 60ft they hook great again for the majority track rental or not.

exactly. which is what the mustang has been provided with in every run so far. besides private owner. and guess what...12.4 and 12.1 his second try. in -1300 DA

and looking at the 60 ft with tire so far the 5.0 is not capable of the same 60 ft as the Camaro when stock. so prep will be even more important for a good time in an ss. it relies on its 60 more etc...the mustang has more mph and softer launch

don't get what you mean the majority are hooking. those not on the list are not hooking. those not in the top 20 aren't hooking. which is a lot of people. trust me on this hitting a 1.7-1.8 60 ft is not easy on stock runflats with a low end torque monster lt1.
those that hook get good times. its like that with any car. and if everyone is running at a rental all the times will be good. the same for a Camaro or a mustang. which is why the timeframe argument is silly in this situation.I didn't even try to get stock hero times it was so difficult at my tracks.

in short the average will look good if every pass is good prep in good da with good driver. its common sense. comparing that to all the average Camaro private owner times is absolutely unfair/skewed in favor of the mustang.

[2Bowties]

Now is he telling the truth or naw?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Steph93lx

6g Camaro that have run in 11's have run for the majority in great DA and looking at their 60ft they hook great again for the majority track rental or not.

They've gone 11's in positive DA

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Now is he telling the truth or naw?

I've seen more than one person lie about their runs at the track. I've seen more than one Mustang magazine write some bullshit in an article. Plus with you guys saying an E85 tune isn't a mod I think I'm more than a bit skeptical to say the least.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I've seen more than one person lie about their runs at the track. I've seen more than one Mustang magazine write some bullshit in an article. Plus with you guys saying an E85 tune isn't a mod I think I'm more than a bit skeptical to say the least.

Who the hell said e85 tune isnt a mod? Hahaha

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Who the hell said e85 tune isnt a mod? Hahaha

One of you Mustang guys.