Fueling for 150 wet plate shot with mods/E85 already?

RideZX6R · 08-16-2018, 11:00 PM

Going to be doing a cam (with fuel lobe) and a few other bolt-ons and E85...

I'm expecting in the 520-550whp ballpark with these mods...

I know 575-600whp seems to be the limit on the stock fuel system, however I have a 1LE so it has the ZL1 in-tank pump and the cam will have the 32% fuel lobe...

Should I need any other fueling mods to add a 150 plate shot? If so, what? Could I just run a small stand alone fuel system?

wnta1ss · 08-17-2018, 06:27 AM

Keep in mind the 575-600hp that the internet says the stock LT1 fuel system can handle is on gasoline. Plus what the internet says and reality often do not match. Since you will be using E85, you will probably be pushing the fuel system pretty hard just running on motor at 550hp. To expect the low side pump to reliably supply another 150hp worth of E85 on top of that would be unwise as far as I'm concerned. Therefore my suggestion for your proposed scenario is to either install a standalone fuel system for the nitrous system, or upgrade the low side supply.

KingLT1 · 08-17-2018, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RideZX6R

Going to be doing a cam (with fuel lobe) and a few other bolt-ons and E85...

I'm expecting in the 520-550whp ballpark with these mods...

I know 575-600whp seems to be the limit on the stock fuel system, however I have a 1LE so it has the ZL1 in-tank pump and the cam will have the 32% fuel lobe...

Should I need any other fueling mods to add a 150 plate shot? If so, what? Could I just run a small stand alone fuel system?

With Nitrous you are pulling fuel off the line before the high side. That being said, using the ZL1 in-tank and BAP, I believe you will have enough fuel for the 150 shot on E85. I have read of others doing the same with no issues. Nitrous does not require the same AFR as FI so you wont be taxing the low side as hard. Stand alone is never a bad idea but for a 150 I don't think you need it.

Just curious why you sold off the FI setup in favor of a cam and nitrous?

RideZX6R · 08-17-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

With Nitrous you are pulling fuel off the line before the high side. That being said, using the ZL1 in-tank and BAP, I believe you will have enough fuel for the 150 shot on E85. I have read of others doing the same with no issues. Nitrous does not require the same AFR as FI so you wont be taxing the low side as hard. Stand alone is never a bad idea but for a 150 I don't think you need it.

Just curious why you sold off the FI setup in favor of a cam and nitrous?

To answer your last question... I spent the money to help family. A cam+nitrous is much cheaper than the cam/pistons/lt4fueling/blower setup.

I think I'd rather run a DSX or Skid mark low side kit rather than a BAP/voltage booster

tireslayer0331 · 08-17-2018, 01:07 PM

Have you looked into running C16 or some other race fuel in a dedicated fuel system for a wet nitrous shot? Put a small fuel cell in the trunk and keep your e85 in the gas tank. Personally that's the route I would take.

RideZX6R · 08-17-2018, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tireslayer0331

Have you looked into running C16 or some other race fuel in a dedicated fuel system for a wet nitrous shot? Put a small fuel cell in the trunk and keep your e85 in the gas tank. Personally that's the route I would take.

...I asked this same question in my original post...

Was looking for cost effective suggestions

KingLT1 · 08-17-2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RideZX6R

To answer your last question... I spent the money to help family. A cam+nitrous is much cheaper than the cam/pistons/lt4fueling/blower setup.

I think I'd rather run a DSX or Skid mark low side kit rather than a BAP/voltage booster

What's that going to cost to do it right? I haven't priced Nitrous setups on these cars. A cam and 150 shot will put you around 650whp? You installing the cam yourself?

Just did a little research.

nitrous plate kit- 775.00
stand alone fuel system- 780.00
Accessory package-500.00
Nitrous controller- 3-500.00 depending on unit

I like the idea of the stand alone. You won't have to touch your stock fuel system...cam with bigger fuel lobe will leave you plenty of headroom on E85 NA.

tireslayer0331 · 08-17-2018, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RideZX6R

...I asked this same question in my original post...

Was looking for cost effective suggestions

Sorry didn't see the last sentence of your original post. I have done a nitrous build in the past and in retrospect I wish I ran a standalone from the beginning, if I ever run nitrous in a car again it's the only way I will do it. I think a standalone would run about the same cost wise as an aux fuel pump however you will have the added benefit of being able to run an even higher octane fuel with your shot while keeping e85 in your tank.

CesarT · 08-22-2018, 11:40 PM

I'm fbo and e85/nitrous. Using a 150 jet and fuel pressure never dropped. I may be trying a 200 jet this friday and logging it as well. Do yourself a favor and dont run the 6510 plug everyone says to run. Use a non projected tip plug from brisk.

Blkhoess · 09-10-2018, 10:09 PM

How much total timing are you guys running on e85, kooks and 150 shot?

DSX Tuning · 09-11-2018, 03:09 PM

As much as I'd like to sell a fuel pump system, personally, I think you're better off doing a standalone fuel cell for nitrous.

CesarT · 09-14-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blkhoess

How much total timing are you guys running on e85, kooks and 150 shot?

26 degrees total on the .062 jet. Running 31 n/a and pulling 5 degrees with lnc 2014. Going on the dyno next Friday to read plugs and see which it likes best. Tried the 200 and fuel system couldn't keep up. Looked at the aux low side and like dsx mentioned its probably better to get a stand alone fuel system.

Juiced1 · 09-19-2018, 07:43 PM

Your low side pump will be close to maxed out on E85 I wouldn't toss a 150 shot on top. Maybe start with a bap and a 100 shot and make sure you're not dropping pressure. A stand alone system is the best choice if you can swing it. We are an authorized NX dealer if you need anything let us know. We'll get you the best price.

PRAY · 09-26-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CesarT

26 degrees total on the .062 jet. Running 31 n/a and pulling 5 degrees with lnc 2014. Going on the dyno next Friday to read plugs and see which it likes best. Tried the 200 and fuel system couldn't keep up. Looked at the aux low side and like dsx mentioned its probably better to get a stand alone fuel system.

Did you get to 31* because it actually went faster or made more power on the dyno? Or did you just picked a number?

08-16-2018, 11:00 PM	#1
RideZX6R Probably tired right now Drives: 1Lap1LE \| EV6 FE \| 18 F150 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: At the office (CLT, NC) Posts: 1,133	Fueling for 150 wet plate shot with mods/E85 already? Going to be doing a cam (with fuel lobe) and a few other bolt-ons and E85... I'm expecting in the 520-550whp ballpark with these mods... I know 575-600whp seems to be the limit on the stock fuel system, however I have a 1LE so it has the ZL1 in-tank pump and the cam will have the 32% fuel lobe... Should I need any other fueling mods to add a 150 plate shot? If so, what? Could I just run a small stand alone fuel system? __________________ -Seven '17 SS 1LE - 1LAP 1LE (Now with more 427!) '18 F150 Platinum Powerstroke diesel '22 Kia EV6 First Edition '18 RS3 (1 of 2) Cumulus Blue '24 911 T (ordered) Formers... '19 RS5 Sportback Sonoma Green \| '07 Cayman S 6MT \| '16 Audi S3 Prestige Viper Green (APR Stage 3+) \| '19 Mustang Shelby GT350R \| '17 SS 1LE MBM 575whp all-motor

08-17-2018, 01:07 PM	#5
tireslayer0331 Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: NYC/CT Posts: 85	Have you looked into running C16 or some other race fuel in a dedicated fuel system for a wet nitrous shot? Put a small fuel cell in the trunk and keep your e85 in the gas tank. Personally that's the route I would take. __________________ 2016 Camaro SS- , D1SC, 4.38" pulley, LT4 HPFP

08-17-2018, 06:27 AM	#2
wnta1ss Drives: 2017 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: NH Posts: 1,692	Keep in mind the 575-600hp that the internet says the stock LT1 fuel system can handle is on gasoline. Plus what the internet says and reality often do not match. Since you will be using E85, you will probably be pushing the fuel system pretty hard just running on motor at 550hp. To expect the low side pump to reliably supply another 150hp worth of E85 on top of that would be unwise as far as I'm concerned. Therefore my suggestion for your proposed scenario is to either install a standalone fuel system for the nitrous system, or upgrade the low side supply.

08-22-2018, 11:40 PM	#9
CesarT Drives: '17 1ss Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Borger Posts: 93	I'm fbo and e85/nitrous. Using a 150 jet and fuel pressure never dropped. I may be trying a 200 jet this friday and logging it as well. Do yourself a favor and dont run the 6510 plug everyone says to run. Use a non projected tip plug from brisk.

09-10-2018, 10:09 PM	#10
Blkhoess Drives: Black ss Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16	How much total timing are you guys running on e85, kooks and 150 shot?

09-11-2018, 03:09 PM	#11
DSX Tuning Drives: 2019 Corvette ZR1 Join Date: May 2017 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 313	As much as I'd like to sell a fuel pump system, personally, I think you're better off doing a standalone fuel cell for nitrous.

09-19-2018, 07:43 PM	#13
Juiced1 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 2SS CAMARO 45th Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: St. Charles, IL Posts: 18,663	Your low side pump will be close to maxed out on E85 I wouldn't toss a 150 shot on top. Maybe start with a bap and a 100 shot and make sure you're not dropping pressure. A stand alone system is the best choice if you can swing it. We are an authorized NX dealer if you need anything let us know. We'll get you the best price.

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