Its now possible to tune the untunable 10 speed transmissions... - Page 3

KingLT1 · 05-26-2021, 10:07 AM

Tuning the transmission doesn't add any power per say...it simply allows all of it to make it to the tires all the time. This equates to faster acceleration. This is part of the reason why all those online power vs weight = 1/4 time calculators don't compute for the newer cars. You need more power then what those calculators show to run the predicted times. They don't factor all of the Torque Reduction and Torque Management that is in play on these higher powered factory cars.

The A10 shifts 5 times before the 1/4 mi and it pulls the timing back to -10 degrees on each shift. The first 2 shifts on a A10 takes like .5 tenths to complete. 4th on is about .25 tenths. The difference between a properly tuned A8/A10 is that a stock one will shift and not gain any ground on the shift, where a tuned one will usually pull soon as it shifts. 2-3 tenths reduction is pretty common and that is still leaving some TR in play. Remove all TR and you will see another tenth drop.

juice3 · 05-26-2021, 10:33 AM

I have mine, got it from HHP Chuck. Going in soon!

Z OH 6 · 05-26-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

Tuning the transmission doesn't add any power per say...it simply allows all of it to make it to the tires all the time. This equates to faster acceleration. This is part of the reason why all those online power vs weight = 1/4 time calculators don't compute for the newer cars. You need more power then what those calculators show to run the predicted times. They don't factor all of the Torque Reduction and Torque Management that is in play on these higher powered factory cars.

The A10 shifts 5 times before the 1/4 mi and it pulls the timing back to -10 degrees on each shift. The first 2 shifts on a A10 takes like .5 tenths to complete. 4th on is about .25 tenths. The difference between a properly tuned A8/A10 is that a stock one will shift and not gain any ground on the shift, where a tuned one will usually pull soon as it shifts. 2-3 tenths reduction is pretty common and that is still leaving some TR in play. Remove all TR and you will see another tenth drop.

On street tires pulling some timing probably isn't a bad thing since it will keep the tires from breaking loose on shifts. On drag radials, probably a different story.

clg82 · 05-26-2021, 11:58 AM

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I have mine, got it from HHP Chuck. Going in soon!

So juice correct me if i'm wrong but after speaking with Chuck at HHP he said it was $800.00 for them to send me a TCM, plus $500.00 for the tune, and that I would ALSO need to purchase HP Tuners in order to add the tune to the TCM that they sent to me...does that sound about right? Seems like a lot of money just for a transmission tune especially if i need to purchase HP Tuners myself just to load their tune.

juice3 · 05-26-2021, 12:59 PM

That’s business bud

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clg82 · 05-26-2021, 01:43 PM

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That’s business bud

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I get it man, i was just assuming it would be a tune they could throw on the TCM and send.....I would assume all ZL1s came with the same A10 transmission tune and they could cover all of them, but apparently you need to drive with it first?

Camaro1973 · 05-26-2021, 02:37 PM

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I get it man, i was just assuming it would be a tune they could throw on the TCM and send.....I would assume all ZL1s came with the same A10 transmission tune and they could cover all of them, but apparently you need to drive with it first?

The prices are fair, your paying for a new tcm, a tune and to unlock the tcm. TCM tunes are unique just like tuning the ecu. Its based on your power etc.

JSH · 05-26-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by clg82

So juice correct me if i'm wrong but after speaking with Chuck at HHP he said it was $800.00 for them to send me a TCM, plus $500.00 for the tune, and that I would ALSO need to purchase HP Tuners in order to add the tune to the TCM that they sent to me...does that sound about right? Seems like a lot of money just for a transmission tune especially if i need to purchase HP Tuners myself just to load their tune.

and you need a good laptop, and... credits with HPT and...and...

clg82 · 05-26-2021, 03:27 PM

Long story short it's a very expensive process that isn't just a mail order tune....it's more involved and more expensive than that.

clg82 · 05-26-2021, 10:14 PM

Is HHP currently the only vendor offering this?

juice3 · 05-27-2021, 02:21 AM

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Is HHP currently the only vendor offering this?

Yes

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KingLT1 · 05-27-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by clg82

Long story short it's a very expensive process that isn't just a mail order tune....it's more involved and more expensive than that.

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Originally Posted by clg82

Is HHP currently the only vendor offering this?

Well that is because HHP is the first to come up with a solution to tune 2020+ A10's. So they currently hold all the Market share.

Either way, Welcome to the world of modding newer cars. I waited until I knew we had full access of all controllers before buying my 6th gen. 2016 only requires 3 credits to license all controllers.

JSH · 05-27-2021, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

Well that is because HHP is the first to come up with a solution to tune 2020+ A10's.

I'm sure I'll buy one and just as sure that I don't know how to tune my A10. Would you repost those images of your TCM tune to give us some ideas about the required tuning?

gtfoxy · 05-28-2021, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

Tuning the transmission doesn't add any power per say...it simply allows all of it to make it to the tires all the time. This equates to faster acceleration. This is part of the reason why all those online power vs weight = 1/4 time calculators don't compute for the newer cars. You need more power then what those calculators show to run the predicted times. They don't factor all of the Torque Reduction and Torque Management that is in play on these higher powered factory cars.

The A10 shifts 5 times before the 1/4 mi and it pulls the timing back to -10 degrees on each shift. The first 2 shifts on a A10 takes like .5 tenths to complete. 4th on is about .25 tenths. The difference between a properly tuned A8/A10 is that a stock one will shift and not gain any ground on the shift, where a tuned one will usually pull soon as it shifts. 2-3 tenths reduction is pretty common and that is still leaving some TR in play. Remove all TR and you will see another tenth drop.

I get what you are saying.

Had a guy with a 5.3 turbo truck that wanted to cheap out on having his tranny built, but wanted me to dial back the TD. I told him that wasn’t a good idea as it’s probably the only thing holding his tranny together. He didn’t believe so I said fine, I’ll give you one pass at 0%. It wouldn’t even make the shift to 2nd.

He looks at me & says OK, turn in back to where it was.

Wasn’t sure if the new stuff was more active through the gears.

05-26-2021, 10:07 AM	#29
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,798	Tuning the transmission doesn't add any power per say...it simply allows all of it to make it to the tires all the time. This equates to faster acceleration. This is part of the reason why all those online power vs weight = 1/4 time calculators don't compute for the newer cars. You need more power then what those calculators show to run the predicted times. They don't factor all of the Torque Reduction and Torque Management that is in play on these higher powered factory cars. The A10 shifts 5 times before the 1/4 mi and it pulls the timing back to -10 degrees on each shift. The first 2 shifts on a A10 takes like .5 tenths to complete. 4th on is about .25 tenths. The difference between a properly tuned A8/A10 is that a stock one will shift and not gain any ground on the shift, where a tuned one will usually pull soon as it shifts. 2-3 tenths reduction is pretty common and that is still leaving some TR in play. Remove all TR and you will see another tenth drop. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

05-26-2021, 03:27 PM	#37
clg82 Drives: 2020 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,148	Long story short it's a very expensive process that isn't just a mail order tune....it's more involved and more expensive than that. __________________ 2020 ZL1 A10 Shadow Gray Metallic Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R\| Mamo Throttle Body V2\| RotoFab Intake\| AWE Touring Catback Exhaust\| TCM Tune\| Tune\| Eibach Pro\| BMR Rear Cradle Lockout\| PPF\| Ceramic\| BCForged HCS21

05-26-2021, 10:14 PM	#38
clg82 Drives: 2020 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,148	Is HHP currently the only vendor offering this? __________________ 2020 ZL1 A10 Shadow Gray Metallic Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R\| Mamo Throttle Body V2\| RotoFab Intake\| AWE Touring Catback Exhaust\| TCM Tune\| Tune\| Eibach Pro\| BMR Rear Cradle Lockout\| PPF\| Ceramic\| BCForged HCS21

05-26-2021, 10:33 AM	#30
juice3 Drives: 19 ZLE A10,17 SS 1LE, 16 C7R,CT5V Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Berryville, VA Posts: 175	I have mine, got it from HHP Chuck. Going in soon!

05-26-2021, 12:59 PM	#33
juice3 Drives: 19 ZLE A10,17 SS 1LE, 16 C7R,CT5V Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Berryville, VA Posts: 175	That’s business bud Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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