V6 1le vs Civic Type R

snowolf_rs · 09-25-2019, 12:03 AM

So i know this seems like a very odd comparison, but on paper the civic type r and v6 1le are very close in performance, the civic was actually just 0.1 seconds faster on car and driver's lighting lap. I already have a 2.0 turbo RS, but im looking to get something a little more unique and track focused. What are everyone's thoughts on these two cars compared to one another?

cbr1100xx · 09-25-2019, 02:02 AM

Type R is a great car but I'd never buy it on looks alone. Just too stupid looking IMO.

HCI2000SS · 09-25-2019, 04:31 AM

I'd go drive both, and form my own opinion.

ddanj · 09-25-2019, 11:16 AM

Sporty cars in the same price range are all fair game to compare in my opinion.

I couldn't get past the looks of the CTR. Especially the huge fake vents. But that is very subjective for sure.

Regarding road manners, all the reviews I've read and saw sing praises of all the 1LE variants and of the CTR.

The CTR does have a weight advantage at only 3100lbs.

Drive both and let us know what you think!

chaospiece · 09-25-2019, 11:23 AM

If you already have a 2.0 turbo RS and are looking for something noticeably more sporty, you have to shift your focus. Otherwise it'll feel almost the same as where you're at now.

cbr1100xx · 09-25-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chaospiece

If you already have a 2.0 turbo RS and are looking for something noticeably more sporty, you have to shift your focus. Otherwise it'll feel almost the same as where you're at now.

Agreed. Not going to be a drastic change. An SS 1LE would be.

Deesiel678 · 09-25-2019, 03:39 PM

One thing that doesn't get mentioned in reviews is the sustainability of the car while on track, instead everyone focuses on driving impressions and lap times. I know of a few people that track Civic Type R's; the issue that many of them have is overheating. The people that I know of that track often had to replace the OEM radiator with an aftermarket unit in order to sustain an entire 20min session running 8-10/10s without overheating. The V6 1LE, with its 6 heat exchangers (HD radiator, 2x aux radiators, transmission cooler, liquid-to-liquid diff and engine oil coolers) does not seem to have this issue. MAYBE if its a very hot day you may have issues but not as much as the CTR.
I'd be curious to know how willing Honda would be to address a mechanical issue encountered while tracking the CTR. Would they honor the warranty in such a case? We've already seen several examples of Chevrolet warrantying 1LE cars that have been used on track (the caveat is that they must remain stock).
The Camaro also has more camber adjustment in the stock suspension, making better use of the tires. You can fit wider tires on the Camaro as well. Mod for mod, the CTR will be faster though.

kropscamaro16 · 09-25-2019, 04:00 PM

also rwd> fwd is something to think about also lol

my old car was a fwd cobalt ss and i love my camaro ss took a few days to get adjusted to rwd but its definately alot more fun and you cant beat the sound of a v8

COmaro · 09-25-2019, 05:05 PM

I've considered both of these as track cars as well as 86 TRD and Miata Club. Real world pricing, you can get a V6 1LE for under 29K, a Civic Type R rarely goes for under $36K. Miata Club with Brembos can be had for about $30K. 86 TRD is about $29K.

As a daily driver, the Civic and 86 are much more practical than the Camaro or Miata. Hatchbacks, rule. On the plus side for the Camaro you can run regular gas in a V6 Camaro, premium is required in the others.

Resale in five years on any of the three will be *way* better than the Camaro, especially the Civic, probably enough to offset the initial higher price of the Civic. I'd bet the maintenance and repairs on the Camaro would be less money though.

Here is the question? Do you actually track the car? If not, save your pennies for an LT1. A year from now you'll be able to get one for about $35K.

If you actually track the car, keep in mind that if you blow up any of the other three you'll be out of luck on a warranty claim. Chevy will fix your 1LE.

If you don't care about a warranty on the track, get the Civic, if you can find one.

Clam · 09-26-2019, 09:59 AM

I would get the 1LE V6 over the Civic Type R as it is Naturally Aspirated, has oil/diff coolers from the SS, RWD, and the Alpha Chassis is awesome!

shaffe · 09-26-2019, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chaospiece

If you already have a 2.0 turbo RS and are looking for something noticeably more sporty, you have to shift your focus. Otherwise it'll feel almost the same as where you're at now.

This ^

funked1 · 09-26-2019, 02:12 PM

You can get an SS 1LE for less than the Civic. Also the Civic can do things like carry four adults and cargo.

cbr1100xx · 09-26-2019, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by funked1

You can get an SS 1LE for less than the Civic.

Where are you finding new SS 1LE's for $36K?

funked1 · 09-26-2019, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cbr1100xx

Where are you finding new SS 1LE's for $36K?

Where are you finding Type-Rs under $40k?

09-25-2019, 12:03 AM	#1
snowolf_rs Drives: 2017 Summit White Camaro RS 1LT Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Alabama Posts: 17	V6 1le vs Civic Type R So i know this seems like a very odd comparison, but on paper the civic type r and v6 1le are very close in performance, the civic was actually just 0.1 seconds faster on car and driver's lighting lap. I already have a 2.0 turbo RS, but im looking to get something a little more unique and track focused. What are everyone's thoughts on these two cars compared to one another?

09-25-2019, 11:16 AM	#4
ddanj Drives: 2018 1LS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 162	Sporty cars in the same price range are all fair game to compare in my opinion. I couldn't get past the looks of the CTR. Especially the huge fake vents. But that is very subjective for sure. Regarding road manners, all the reviews I've read and saw sing praises of all the 1LE variants and of the CTR. The CTR does have a weight advantage at only 3100lbs. Drive both and let us know what you think! __________________ 2018 Garnet Red 1LS 1LE V6 w/Tech 1100 - 07/26/2017 \| 4300 - 09/15/2017 at rail yard 3000 - 08/16/2017 \| 4200 - 09/18/2017 shipped! 3100 - 08/19/2017 TPW 09/11/2017 \| 4800 - 09/20/2017 train journey done 3400 - 08/25/2017 \| 5000 - 09/22/2017 at the dealer, and picked up! 4300 - 09/12/2017 Built! VIN available 4B00 - 09/14/2017 move to rail yard

09-25-2019, 03:39 PM	#7
Deesiel678 Drives: 2018 1LS 1LE Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Canton, GA Posts: 49	One thing that doesn't get mentioned in reviews is the sustainability of the car while on track, instead everyone focuses on driving impressions and lap times. I know of a few people that track Civic Type R's; the issue that many of them have is overheating. The people that I know of that track often had to replace the OEM radiator with an aftermarket unit in order to sustain an entire 20min session running 8-10/10s without overheating. The V6 1LE, with its 6 heat exchangers (HD radiator, 2x aux radiators, transmission cooler, liquid-to-liquid diff and engine oil coolers) does not seem to have this issue. MAYBE if its a very hot day you may have issues but not as much as the CTR. I'd be curious to know how willing Honda would be to address a mechanical issue encountered while tracking the CTR. Would they honor the warranty in such a case? We've already seen several examples of Chevrolet warrantying 1LE cars that have been used on track (the caveat is that they must remain stock). The Camaro also has more camber adjustment in the stock suspension, making better use of the tires. You can fit wider tires on the Camaro as well. Mod for mod, the CTR will be faster though. __________________ 2018 V6 1LE Instagram: @ag1le_v6 YouTube Last edited by Deesiel678; 09-28-2019 at 10:53 AM.

09-25-2019, 04:00 PM	#8
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,812	also rwd> fwd is something to think about also lol my old car was a fwd cobalt ss and i love my camaro ss took a few days to get adjusted to rwd but its definately alot more fun and you cant beat the sound of a v8 __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

09-25-2019, 05:05 PM	#9
COmaro Drives: Many Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 220	I've considered both of these as track cars as well as 86 TRD and Miata Club. Real world pricing, you can get a V6 1LE for under 29K, a Civic Type R rarely goes for under $36K. Miata Club with Brembos can be had for about $30K. 86 TRD is about $29K. As a daily driver, the Civic and 86 are much more practical than the Camaro or Miata. Hatchbacks, rule. On the plus side for the Camaro you can run regular gas in a V6 Camaro, premium is required in the others. Resale in five years on any of the three will be way better than the Camaro, especially the Civic, probably enough to offset the initial higher price of the Civic. I'd bet the maintenance and repairs on the Camaro would be less money though. Here is the question? Do you actually track the car? If not, save your pennies for an LT1. A year from now you'll be able to get one for about $35K. If you actually track the car, keep in mind that if you blow up any of the other three you'll be out of luck on a warranty claim. Chevy will fix your 1LE. If you don't care about a warranty on the track, get the Civic, if you can find one. Last edited by COmaro; 09-25-2019 at 05:21 PM.

09-25-2019, 02:02 AM	#2
cbr1100xx Account Suspended Drives: '14 Jetta 1.8, '19 1SS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 886	Type R is a great car but I'd never buy it on looks alone. Just too stupid looking IMO.

09-25-2019, 04:31 AM	#3
HCI2000SS Drives: 2018 Camaro V6/RS Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: MI Posts: 1,596	I'd go drive both, and form my own opinion.

09-25-2019, 11:23 AM	#5
chaospiece Drives: 2018 SS, 2016 GT Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: California Posts: 210	If you already have a 2.0 turbo RS and are looking for something noticeably more sporty, you have to shift your focus. Otherwise it'll feel almost the same as where you're at now.

09-26-2019, 09:59 AM	#10
Clam Drives: 2017 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Richmond, TX Posts: 96	I would get the 1LE V6 over the Civic Type R as it is Naturally Aspirated, has oil/diff coolers from the SS, RWD, and the Alpha Chassis is awesome!

09-26-2019, 02:12 PM	#12
funked1 Drives: '23 Hyundai Kona N, '24 VW GTI Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 404	You can get an SS 1LE for less than the Civic. Also the Civic can do things like carry four adults and cargo.

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