[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by s346k

just for clarification - no, my 18 does not require pressing the brake pedal to start.

I see. OP has a 19 just like me, so he would have to brake to start as well.

I did have trouble with this "feature" once when I had a brain fart. I got the car rolling but still stalled the engine. Normally, I could just clutch in and just restart the car as it rolls, but with the Camaro, I had to brake to crank the car. I had a bit of a panic moment when I couldn't crank the car with the clutch down until I looked in the gauge cluster and realized that, oh yeah, I need to press the brake as well to crank. So I had to brake, which caused the car to stop and a few honks from behind, but I managed to crank the car and went on my way.

I think the idea is that they want to you pull over before you start the car, or mimic an auto trans more where you have to press the brake to start the car. Can be a bit inconvenient, however.

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

And to think that this whole rant began when you couldn't get to the gas can (where you have kept it for 15 years) to gas up your snow blower that's on the opposite side of the garage ???

Now this will probably sound downright silly, but I would tend to keep the gas can NEAR the snowblower. Makes for filling it so much easier??

old habits be damned, move the can and get on with your life for crying out loud.

As I have said, it's very high up on the 1st world problem list.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by az4783054

I see a few people here who could benefit from a nap.

Me too, lol

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Camaro requires you to not only press the clutch pedal to start the car, but also the brake pedal as well. This is also different from a lot of older cars, and if you want to complain about that, I can be on board with this one.

I know I'd find that annoying just in normal daily use.

BTW, supposedly some older auto trans cars can also be push started. Technically, some of them can be push started if you at least have enough power to shift the car into N and then dump it into a low gear(L or 1/2, depending on the design), it just requires much higher speeds than a manual that, yeah, isn't always possible to achieve.

This was once true. Chrysler Torqueflite and Powerflite transmissions allowed it, and I think at least one of the Ford automatics did as well. What you needed was a rear oil pump driven from the driveshaft end in addition to the normal front pump driven from the input end. That way you could develop enough line pressure to engage the necessary bands and clutches and carry the momentum of the car rolling into turning the engine over.

You didn't need electrical power to shift any of the automatics of the 1960s as PRNDL/PRND21 range selection was purely mechanical.


Norm

[Deputy Dog]

Not crazy about the epb. I hate getting in and waiting 2 sec. for it to release and get the release indication on the IP. 😩

[NotFast]

I know this thread is a few weeks old, but here's my beef with the EPB: I end up parking on/driving up hills and in past cars: I'd slowly release the normal parking brake while getting the car into gear. Unless I'm missing something, the EPD doesn't allow this.

I know my Camaro has a "hill holder" function but it only stays locked for maybe 2 seconds maximum.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by NotFast

I know this thread is a few weeks old, but here's my beef with the EPB: I end up parking on/driving up hills and in past cars: I'd slowly release the normal parking brake while getting the car into gear. Unless I'm missing something, the EPD doesn't allow this.

I know my Camaro has a "hill holder" function but it only stays locked for maybe 2 seconds maximum.

Nope, the electronic parking brake is digital. Either full on or full off. You can’t gradually release it, vary its clamping force, none of the old tricks you could do with a manual parking brake.

The Dukes Of Hazzard could never be made today, at least not without CGI. The stunt crew removed the lock release bracket in the parking brake pedal assembly under the dash in every one of those 300 or so 1968-69 Chargers they used in the show so the stunt drivers could hit those 90 degree turns and backwards J-turns full throttle. They’d lock the rear brakes up at 60 mph by stomping on the parking brake, do the turn, that would cause the rear end to slide out, then take their foot back off the pedal right away and the spring load would pop the pedal back out and fully release the brake without having to pull the release handle!

Very smart way to do it. Very cool.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by NotFast

I know my Camaro has a "hill holder" function but it only stays locked for maybe 2 seconds maximum.

How much longer does one need, though?

[NotFast]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

How much longer does one need, though?

I guess I'm one, at least when backing up the hill into my garage.

[L78toLT1]

Originally Posted by Racerman27410

You cannot bump start a modern direct injection car with a dead battery.... The days of that move are long gone. If the battery is dead the fuel pump cant run and build high pressure in the fuel rail. The computer that tells the injectors when to open and the the coils when to fire the plugs depend on the battery to function also...... heck you can't hardly even get the dang door open with a dead battery and forget about closing it once it is open DAMHIK but if you dont drive your camaro daily then i highly recommend a quality battery tender.

While you can't bump off a modern car with a completely dead battery, you can with a battery that's far too depleted to turn the starter. If it's strong enough to make the solenoid click, you can bump start it. I've done this on both my Camaro and my Mazda6 commuter car

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by NotFast

I guess I'm one, at least when backing up the hill into my garage.

Hey, sorry, I absolutely didn't mean to be a douche, I just thought hill start assist was only designed to help with slipping the clutch in 1st before the car starts moving. Two seconds feels plenty for that.

(BTW hill start in a manual car with no HSA is one of the mandatory and duly dreaded driving test exercises where I come from, at least it was back in the day )

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

How much longer does one need, though?

That may depend on how well you trust the HH to (1) stay locked, and (2) release when you expect it to.

I can see this being a bigger problem for drivers who normally don't use much (or any) throttle when first moving the car off from a full stop. There is some risk of stalling if your clutch timing beats the HH and your throttle input, and of rolling the wrong way if your footwork is too slow.


Norm

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

That may depend on how well you trust the HH to (1) stay locked, and (2) release when you expect it to.

I can see this being a bigger problem for drivers who normally don't use much (or any) throttle when first moving the car off from a full stop. There is some risk of stalling if your clutch timing beats the HH and your throttle input, and of rolling the wrong way if your footwork is too slow.


Norm

That's a fair point, thanks Norm. It's a general problem with computer assistance, if it isn't an all-or-nothing proposition, things get tricky.

I'd probably just stall out an M6 for the first few times after years with the auto anyway

[FarmerFran]

The brake will turn itself off when you move.

[s346k]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

The brake will turn itself off when you move.

only if you step on the gas.