[JSH]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

JSH, no offense but you already had your work done by HPE, and you are constantly trying to prove they are better and/or justifying the price you paid for the work and trying your best to prove no other shops can do the same for less money.

I know the prominent shops won't do it for less. We're now talking Mom and Pop shops, which I'm skeptical about.

The name of the thread is cost of horse power so all I'm trying to do is present reasonably accurate pricing of horse power in the market. I have no reason to try to justify what I paid other than to show that it's competitive

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by JSH

I know the prominent shops won't do it for less. We're now talking Mom and Pop shops, which I'm skeptical about.

The name of the thread is cost of horse power so all I'm trying to do is present reasonably accurate pricing of horse power in the market. I have no reason to try to justify what I paid other than to show that it's competitive

I think I paid 18k total, but this was 2 labor trips, I could of saved a bit by doing it all at once, but not a big deal.

Round 1

Kooks headers w/green cats
NW 103mm TB
Might Mouse Wild catch can
Magnuson 2650 w/90mm pulley
NGK Plugs
MSD Wires
Speed engineering valve covers
Roto Fab Big Gulp

This was 12k installed

Round 2

Cam
Ported TSP Heads
Lifters, valve train upgrades etc
TCM unlock
Dyno and trans tune

Total 6k installed

I don’t have dyno numbers yet for round 2 as it’s not done, but typical on this package is 780rwhp. (925 crank sae) I didn’t choose to get the dsx aux low side as of yet as I don’t want another failure point. That would push it over 800rwhp, they like to stop before 800rwhp unless you have a low side upgrade. This is also on pump 93. Sunoco GT 260 100 octane is also available here and I’m sure that would push it over the 800 mark with a couple degrees of timing.

I didn’t include the other mods I did like the full borla cat back etc.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Outahand

LOL! I was going to ask how much you have driven the car? Do you find yourself holding it to the floor yelling "Come on Baby" often?

These things are beasts from the factory.

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

Lol 650hp and slow car?

It’s sarcasm.

Just ignore him.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

I think I paid 18k total, but this was 2 labor trips, I could of saved a bit by doing it all at once, but not a big deal.

Doing it all at once presumes you know where it will end up, which nobody knows.

I had everything done that I thought I would want, but of course now I want just a little more - ported blower, larger TB, jms fuel pump voltage booster - just 50-75 more flywheel hp

[Markoz28]

Originally Posted by JSH

I'm skeptical about this all-in price, and I do not see it at their site. Plus, for me and most others, add $2500 hauling and $1000 dyno/tune.

This is not like a package price that they have. It’s just a ball park figure of what it cost me. If you like I’ll break everything down for you.

Kooks headers with no cats $1200
Ported SC $1500
Big Gulp $500
103 TB $650
Cam kit $1500
Plugs $70
Wires $50
Methanol injection $1000
ATI $450
Lower pulley $150
Upper pulley $200
Belt $50

That’s $7320 in parts. Some of the prices are inflated and can be discounted depending on sites ordered and discounts.

Add $600 for tuning and $200 for credits. You are at $8120 total.

That leaves $2880 for labor. This may still not make sense to you, to which I say, oh well it’s what I paid. If you prefer to pay $15,000 for what Ive listed or even $20,000. As long as you are satisfied I’m happy for Your end results.

[Markoz28]

JSH, I just realized that you went Hennessy. Without knowing what you paid I’m sure it’s well over what some of the real shops would have charged. Of course Hennessy has great marketing but that’s one hell of a price for a windshield sticker.

[BlaqWhole]

For 850-ish RWHP (give or take) you should be in the $14K to $20K range depending on the shop. Different shops will have different labor rates and that is where most of the price differences come into play. But also, at that price range you should be getting a blower swap, cam swap, ported heads, LTs, dyno tune, and upgraded fueling. Maybe not an entire fuel system but definitely enough to safely run pump gas.

Personally I am not a fan of the stock blowers being modified. I think they are wonderful for a stock-ish ZL1 (catback and CAI). But outside of that I personally would not waste money with porting and pulleying. I'd say right now the best bang is going with a 2650 or Whipple 2.9, cam, and heads. Sure it is expensive. But you'll save money in the long run vs doing all these little things and then not being satisfied and having to do extra stuff.

[900RFWN]

Originally Posted by Markoz28

This is not like a package price that they have. It’s just a ball park figure of what it cost me. If you like I’ll break everything down for you.

Kooks headers with no cats $1200
Ported SC $1500
Big Gulp $500
103 TB $650
Cam kit $1500
Plugs $70
Wires $50
Methanol injection $1000
ATI $450
Lower pulley $150
Upper pulley $200
Belt $50

That’s $7320 in parts. Some of the prices are inflated and can be discounted depending on sites ordered and discounts.

Add $600 for tuning and $200 for credits. You are at $8120 total.

That leaves $2880 for labor. This may still not make sense to you, to which I say, oh well it’s what I paid. If you prefer to pay $15,000 for what Ive listed or even $20,000. As long as you are satisfied I’m happy for Your end results.

Serious question. Did you and where you able to get a quote from JRods? I feel embarrassed saying this but I sent 3 texts, 2 e-mails, and called once over the course of a year trying to get a quote. They never got back to me. Matt Sorian is the only reason why I insisted because I’ve heard good things about him.

[Markoz28]

Originally Posted by 900RFWN

Serious question. Did you and where you able to get a quote from JRods? I feel embarrassed saying this but I sent 3 texts, 2 e-mails, and called once over the course of a year trying to get a quote. They never got back to me. Matt Sorian is the only reason why I insisted because I’ve heard good things about him.

About 2 years ago it was much easier to get a quote from them. Lately I’ve heard they have become very busy. There shop pretty much doubled in size. Houston Performance was real easy to work with. They broke everything down for me. Some things I purchased myself to save cost and they were good with that. I fact when every thing was said and done they gave me back about 80 bucks because they did not have to use something or purchase more of something after all, I really don’t remember. I just remember them being stand up. Great shop too. Easily for over a dozen cars at once so not a mom and pop shop.

Matt’s a great tuner but you are much better off getting to him through another shop. He is really busy tuning tons of cars for multiple shops.

[900RFWN]

Originally Posted by Markoz28

About 2 years ago it was much easier to get a quote from them. Lately I’ve heard they have become very busy. There shop pretty much doubled in size. Houston Performance was real easy to work with. They broke everything down for me. Some things I purchased myself to save cost and they were good with that. I fact when every thing was said and done they gave me back about 80 bucks because they did not have to use something or purchase more of something after all, I really don’t remember. I just remember them being stand up. Great shop too. Easily for over a dozen cars at once so not a mom and pop shop.

Matt’s a great tuner but you are much better off getting to him through another shop. He is really busy tuning tons of cars for multiple shops.

Thanks for the info. I will keep HPS in mind. Have you heard anything about HPC? Also, I hear HHP not so good. LMR had to fix one of their builds recently.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by JSH

Doing it all at once presumes you know where it will end up, which nobody knows.

I had everything done that I thought I would want, but of course now I want just a little more - ported blower, larger TB, jms fuel pump voltage booster - just 50-75 more flywheel hp

Honestly, i would leave it as it is. Then i would save for a 2650, or whatever else comes along in the future. Add a low side AUX and you'll be close to 850wheel.


I just don't think pulling off the sc, porting and what not is worth the money for you now. Better off saving for a 2650, and a TB then.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Markoz28

JSH, I just realized that you went Hennessy. Without knowing what you paid I’m sure it’s well over what some of the real shops would have charged. Of course Hennessy has great marketing but that’s one hell of a price for a windshield sticker.

Hennessey's price is about the same as the other big shops. I contacted Vengeance, Hennessey, Lingenfelter, LMR, and KaTech and there wasn't much difference in pricing.

I paid $22k which includes one round trip haul and 2 year warranty on any parts they touched.

In June, a Denver Houston roundtrip haul was $2400 and it's impossible to price this warranty but I'll use ~$2000 for now.

If for example I drop one of their new valves, which could possibly destroy a piston or the short block, the cost of repair could be a ton and they would pay. A new short block is $10,000.

So, $19,600 minus the warranty say $17,500 base price.

But they've actually paid for 2 round trip hauls so far, so $17,500 should be reduced.

The other shops did not offer a haul price

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by JSH

Hennessey's price is about the same as the other big shops. I contacted Vengeance, Hennessey, Lingenfelter, LMR, and KaTech and there wasn't much difference in pricing.

I paid $22k which includes one round trip haul and 2 year warranty on any parts they touched.

In June, a Denver Houston roundtrip haul was $2400 and it's impossible to price this warranty but I'll use ~$2000 for now.

If for example I drop one of their new valves, which could possibly destroy a piston or the short block, the cost of repair could be a ton and they would pay. A new short block is $10,000.

So, $19,600 minus the warranty say $17,500 base price.

But they've actually paid for 2 round trip hauls so far, so $17,500 should be reduced.

The other shops did not offer a haul price

22k is a massive ripoff. You had a cam/heads and other essentials done. That’s madness. Not even a ported blower, new blower , tb etc.

Glad to see nothings changed over there @ Henessey.

You basically paid 10k for a warranty.

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