[Mountain]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The off road stuff did surprise me a little too, but sounds like that is because of the tires

I think having 305's up front don't help in that department, but when they say:

In the Mustang, on the other hand, a majority of the staff complained about the unsettled chassis (in Sport+ or Track). Unlike on a flat race track, the imperfect back road caused constant vertical motions so that it never felt settled and stable at any given moment. Somewhat counterintuitively, the fixed-ratio steering also earned a demerit here, with "very little on-center or mid-corner feel."

That's suspension tuning. It's not like they were dealing with traditional fluid/gas dampers. They have MRC to play with... They have electronic steering to play with...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Mountain

I think having 305's up front don't help in that department, but when they say:



That's suspension tuning. It's not like they were dealing with traditional fluid/gas dampers. They have MRC to play with... They have electronic steering to play with...

If you continue reading that quote they also say this

"Most of that can be attributed to the Mustang GT PP2's tendency to nibble and tramline on cracks, seams, road crowns, and grooved highways. We've noted similar aberrant behavior from another Ford with 305-section R-compound front tires (the Shelby GT350R), as well as the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28. "

At least the way I am reading it is MT seemed to think it was the tires. But I wouldn't be shocked if it was the suspension tuning as well

[Boost Creep]

All I read was Camaro 4, Mustang 1.
Camaro cheaper as tested, and lighter than a Mustang.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by shaffe

If you continue reading that quote they also say this

"Most of that can be attributed to the Mustang GT PP2's tendency to nibble and tramline on cracks, seams, road crowns, and grooved highways. We've noted similar aberrant behavior from another Ford with 305-section R-compound front tires (the Shelby GT350R), as well as the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28. "

At least the way I am reading it is MT seemed to think it was the tires. But I wouldn't be shocked if it was the suspension tuning as well

Yes, I read everything. The tramlining is 100% the tire size and possibly wheel size/scrub. And the tire stiffness likely added something, too. But theres a lot of the oscillation (“verical motions”) and unsettled car that can be dealt with in MRC and electronic steering...

Not trying to be a dick...

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by Boost Creep

It's for the old guys that remember the movie with the best car chase scenes of the day.

I'm old and love the movie. but I still dont get the tribute car. It's pretty boring and is for a very select buyer who really really likes the movie. Lol

[Cgocifer]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Although one of the biggest proponents of it is a really young guy. He's got a pretty nice YouTube channel that I subscribe to. He used to go by subaruwrxfan and had a different dark green Mustang at some point in the past. Does some really nice drive reviews, too. Including a couple really nice SS and 1LE reviews.

His review of differences between his Bullitt and other 2019 'Stangs.

His 2016 Camaro SS auto & manual review

Yeah, I watch that guy. Hes a member over on the mustang forum. His 1LE review sold me on wanting a 1LE when I was in the market for a Mustang. Lol

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Boost Creep

All I read was Camaro 4, Mustang 1.
Camaro cheaper as tested, and lighter than a Mustang.

And still faster in every respect

[VinnAY]

Problem with not making PP1 or 2 for that matter as a track car is that you're already creeping on the Shelby market and Ford won't do that.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Yes, I read everything. The tramlining is 100% the tire size and possibly wheel size/scrub. And the tire stiffness likely added something, too. But theres a lot of the oscillation (“verical motions”) and unsettled car that can be dealt with in MRC and electronic steering...

Not trying to be a dick...

I'm not trying to be a dick either lol. It's just the first quote you posted, literalyl the next couple of sentences in the article MT says those issue are primarily caused by the tires lol

[Silverwing]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

And still faster in every respect

Except it's not unless your plan is to hero run and overheat on the 3rd lap. lol

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Silverwing

Except it's not unless your plan is to hero run and overheat on the 3rd lap. lol

Perhaps i should have been more clear: 1le is a faster car in every respect. When comparing laptimes i only take Randy's results as official.
Besides, comparing on track performance of a car that cant last a full stint is meaningless, as it is not a track car, but rather a bragging rights, cars and coffee car created not by enthusiasts, but rather accountants and marketing staff.

[BrianF]

My Focus RS has some of the same issues. It would over heat it's rear diff and go into FWD drive mode. Apparently the only thing reviewers seemed to care about was playin around in drift mode destroying tires instead of see if it could actually complete 3 laps with out overheating.

This was another example of a track/not track Ford car.

[Boost Creep]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Perhaps i should have been more clear: 1le is a faster car in every respect. When comparing laptimes i only take Randy's results as official.
Besides, comparing on track performance of a car that cant last a full stint is meaningless, as it is not a track car, but rather a bragging rights, cars and coffee car created not by enthusiasts, but rather accountants and marketing staff.

Mustang.
A car aimed at the lawn chair enthusiast.

[AZ_1LE]

Originally Posted by BrianF

My Focus RS has some of the same issues. It would over heat it's rear diff and go into FWD drive mode. Apparently the only thing reviewers seemed to care about was playin around in drift mode destroying tires instead of see if it could actually complete 3 laps with out overheating.

This was another example of a track/not track Ford car.

A good buddy of mine has had 2 GT350's (one with the track pack, one without) and a Focus RS. They've all over-heated after only a few minutes on track for one reason or another, and he's sold them all out of frustration.

The first GT350 was the non-track pack version and the transmission would over-heat and put the car into limp mode after around 10-12 minutes.

The second one with the track pack (extra coolers) overheated the engine and the transmission and again would put the car in limp mode.

Focus RS did the same as yours - over-heated the rear diff and send all power to the front wheels.

Guess who was participating in the same track days with his 1LE and never had a problem?