[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Lafourche1

This is a competitive disadvantage for the United States versus most of Western Europe. In many EU countries, college is free (Germany, Finland, Ireland, Denmark, Austria, etc.) or inexpensive (~$200 semester - France). These costs are for any EU student going to any state university in any EU country. I see this as an investment in the future versus our mortgaging the futures of college students.

But not every student is deemed college material in those countries.

The problem in the US in my opinion is that more students are entering the system than should. Student loans are given to kids whose merits don't justify a $80k financial loan risk. Past academic achievement, combined with job prospects for the desired degree should factor into who gets loans

Tuition costs driven up by easy money given to some who's post college economic prospects make them a poor risk for that debt level. A government created problem, like the housing situation in the 2000s

[Lafourche1]

Originally Posted by hotlap

But not every student is deemed college material in those countries.

The problem in the US in my opinion is that more students are entering the system than should. Student loans are given to kids whose merits don't justify a $80k financial loan risk. Past academic achievement, combined with job prospects for the desired degree should factor into who gets loans

Tuition costs driven up by easy money given to some who's post college economic prospects make them a poor risk for that debt level. A government created problem, like the housing situation in the 2000s

Not to travel any further into this other than to state that you may need to check your facts on your entire statement.

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by Lafourche1

This is a competitive disadvantage for the United States versus most of Western Europe. In many EU countries, college is free (Germany, Finland, Ireland, Denmark, Austria, etc.) or inexpensive (~$200 semester - France). These costs are for any EU student going to any state university in any EU country. I see this as an investment in the future versus our mortgaging the futures of college students.

Except, you can't look at those costs in a vacuum. Consider the overall cost of living and tax burden including income taxes, VAT, fuel taxes, etc., etc., and the view begins to change.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Trucking will go autonomous first and in a big way. $$$$

I have less faith in public transit. Our fool mayor just put in a fixed light rail trolly that serves no one.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Agreed on public transit and delivery/trucking.

What gets lost in translation is the massive job losses due to not needed drivers. That is a ton of money removed from the economy.

I don't see trucking going autonomous, maybe long haul OTR stuff but deliveries in industrial parks, cities, you need a human driver for that. especially in areas effected by weather.

Originally Posted by hotlap

But not every student is deemed college material in those countries.

The problem in the US in my opinion is that more students are entering the system than should. Student loans are given to kids whose merits don't justify a $80k financial loan risk. Past academic achievement, combined with job prospects for the desired degree should factor into who gets loans

Tuition costs driven up by easy money given to some who's post college economic prospects make them a poor risk for that debt level. A government created problem, like the housing situation in the 2000s

Without dereailing this thread to much more, the problem is people my age (31 and younger) were told you have to go college you have to go to college it's the only way you will get a good job. IMO the problem is not only what you said, but also the fact that there are so many useless majors. I have a buddy who went to college for 6 years, got a degree in general studies or some shit like that, he drives an armoured car for a living and still lives at home. Another buddy went to work right out of highschool, got in the union and is now a 150 crane operator. Just bought a 4 bedroom house. College is not for everyone

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Lafourche1

Not to travel any further into this other than to state that you may need to check your facts on your entire statement.

I spend a bit of time in Germany and have discussed this with friends. A student’s options start to focus them at a young age. Not every student can attended university.

German School System

...Children aged three to six, may attend kindergarten. After that, school is compulsory for nine or ten years. From grades 1 through 4 children attend elementary school (Grundschule), where the subjects taught are the same for all. Then, after the 4th grade, they are separated according to their academic ability and the wishes of their families, and attend one of three different kinds of schools: Hauptschule, Realschule or Gymnasium. Grundschule teachers recommend their students to a particular school based on such things as academic achievement, self-confidence and ability to work independently. However, in most states, parents have the final say as to which school their child attends following the fourth grade.

https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/germanschools.html

I found this article to support what I was trying to express. Cheap, easy, government student loans are driving up tuition. Often leading to degrees that don’t support the debt taken to get there.

Where student loan debt is a real problem
By Jeffrey J. Selingo
January 5, 2018

...Many students pursue a master’s degree to further their career prospects, and especially their earnings. But a separate report to be released Sunday by the American Enterprise Institute finds that the payoff from master’s degrees varies greatly, based on field of study, and often isn’t understood by prospective students who lack salary data typically associated with earning a bachelor’s degree over a high school diploma. Using new data from three states — Colorado, Florida and Texas — the study found that master’s degree graduates in fields such as philosophy, art and early-childhood education have the lowest median earnings, often less than graduates with bachelor’s or even associate degrees, who go into other fields.

As more and more students pay ever-increasing tuition and borrow more and more money to pay for their studies, it’s remarkable how little information we have about the wage outcomes associated with different programs,” said Mark Schneider, vice president of the American Institutes for Research and one of the authors of the report. “This kind of information is essential for students to have before they enroll and before they borrow tens of thousands of dollars to pay for a degree that is not highly rewarded in the labor market.”

One reason graduate school debt has grown is that students have nearly unlimited borrowing capability from federal programs — with few credit checks or examinations of ability to repay, which are required for most other consumer loans. Knowing that, schools have continued to push their tuition up.

While undergraduates don’t need to go through a credit check or supply documentation that they can pay back loans, they do face limits in what they can borrow from the federal government — $57,500 over four years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5e802b0302b3

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/types/l...d-unsubsidized

[Deputy Dog]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...socialflowFBCD


Saw this and thought this was interesting.

My my my....Why this certainly is News to me.

[Hulkamaniac]

After seeing the debacle of that ugly facelift on the 6th Gen, I can see why there's a shake-up in the design team.

All of them should have been fired.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Hulkamaniac

After seeing the debacle of that ugly facelift on the 6th Gen, I can see why there's a shake-up in the design team.

All of them should have been fired.

What shake up in the design team? I've only seen the announcement of Al moving but nothing on changes in the design team.

[Supercup]

Al is leaving

link: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...socialflowFBCD

Mark Dickens will replace him. Is this the next Z/28 behind Mark? Article says last variant of this generation has been launched - so that would say no Z/28 - but what a way to arrive for Mark if he released a new Z/28!

[Joshinator99]

How to be a Debbie Downer, but there have been multiple threads on this board that have already discussed this topic at great length...

[Sesiom Summers]

Originally Posted by Supercup

Al is leaving

link: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...socialflowFBCD

Mark Dickens will replace him. Is this the next Z/28 behind Mark? Article says last variant of this generation has been launched - so that would say no Z/28 - but what a way to arrive for Mark if he released a new Z/28!

thats the Copo 2019... look at the Drag Tires

[Deputy Dog]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...socialflowFBCD


Saw this and thought this was interesting.

HE is!!!???

[Cmax]

Thank you Al, and Merry Christmas. I love my Camaro. Best car I have ever owned, and that includes a gaggle of early Camaros.
I hope you build in an exterior audio system to give those electric motors a track mode growl! I can’t wait to see what your team creates!
Happy New Year

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

Last August, Scott Settlemire (fbodfather) said that GM is working on the 7th and 8th. gens of the Camaro.

Although, as we have seen, that can change on a dime. Remember not too long ago GM said they were committed to Sedans ?


Wonder if anybody can reach out to Scott to get an update?

Hi all! Did a search of "fbodfather" on this site and just read thru the entire thread.

I've been retired for over three years, so I have not been in product planning meetings since before my retirement. So -- I may be as clueless as some of you.........but I do know this: Up until recently, all vehicle lines at GM were working two generations out because of EPA CAFE standards --

Now -- I've communicated with Al O. and he's very well thought-of by Barra and Reuss and company --

As to the future of Camaro? An educated guess is to "keep the faith" -- just as I told you starting in 2002.............