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Deputy Dog · 10-06-2018, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DangerZL1

I have a feeling the redesign is only going to contribute to declining Camaro sales. I gotta give Dodge credit for gaining market share with a 9 or 10 year old design.

Challenger sales sucked 9 or 10 years ago when they came back out. Sales didn't pickup until they launched an aggressive ad campaign which paid off.

NASTY_1LE · 10-06-2018, 01:03 AM

I don’t mind it.. the rarer the car the better =)

Michael2000 · 10-06-2018, 01:05 AM

I don't think the new SS styling is going to help for 2019.

Deputy Dog · 10-06-2018, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael2000

I don't think the new SS styling is going to help for 2019.

Yeh...especially if they continue with their stupid No Ad campaign.

YuryFur · 10-06-2018, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyGTO

I don't get it. I was a lifelong Mustang guy. Between my parents and me, we've owned four. The 6th gen Camaro is just a better car than Mustang or Dodge. It really isn't even close. 30,000 miles in our '18 SS and it's never made me regret my decision.

I had a mustang as a kid and while searching for a midlife crisis car test drove everything. The Camaro is without a doubt in my mind the best car in the class and also happens to be the best value.

Deputy Dog · 10-06-2018, 02:03 AM

When I was a kid I had a bicycle forsale...for months I tried to sell it with no luck. I wondered why...then like a ton of bricks it hit me ...silly me ..I forgot to advertise it as being forsale. I stuck it in the Want Ad and sold it 3 days later.

LOL...Chevy's stooopid.

Glen e · 10-06-2018, 02:32 AM

Advertising won't do a damn thing for the Camaro. The Camaro is well known and everybody knows it's out there. And anything in terms of advertising would just be a short term tactical maneuver. The simple truth is there is just not as many people by muscle cars now and for some reason they're not buying the Camaro if they're gonna buy a muscle car. . The younger generations are just not buying and interested in......muscle cars.

And I don't know how you change the market so the Camaro sells better. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with the car, and any of the minor tweaks that they've made to the front or the back have nothing to do with the problem. I was in the corporate car business with BMW, Porsche, and Honda for 35 years, and saw every way possible for a mfr to sell cars, but in this case "the dogs don't like the dog food" as they say. And I'm not sure what the answer is. It is a shifting demographic and psychographic, that the Camaro just can't current capture in volume. Harley has the same exact problem.

motorhead · 10-06-2018, 06:22 AM

Everyone keeps saying that advertising is the issue. Well, I dont see Mustang ads of any kind out there, and they are the segment leader. Its simply sign of the times with car sales in general along with the fact the the other cars in the segment are appealing to more people. It just goes to show that building the best car doesnt always equal highest sells. You still need to build a car that people will want.

VinnAY · 10-06-2018, 06:30 AM

When I got mine in Jun I didn't get any indication of a sales "problem" as they wouldn't budge an inch of MSRP but I did get a screaming deal on my trade though.

Camaro has a horrid for visibility which there are problems but having the seat up vs down (vertically) makes a difference for me. Those that drive these and you see half their head over the door sill, ya I bet you can't see shit out of it.

Cmax · 10-06-2018, 06:56 AM

I am curious about comparable sales of the higher end performance packages. How does the SS compare to GT and hellcats....
I think on the lower cost models Mustang is the cheapest, and dodge is the biggest looking sporty looking car, that can haul drywall in a pinch...lol
I think it would be a fun exercise to take each model, with each package, SS, ZL1, 4 cyl, 6 cyl....and determine performance for your buck...and do the same for the competitors.
Maybe the calculation could be to add Horsepower and torque, divided into the MSRP for that car.
I’m not sure if you could factor in other variables like 0-100-0 to put a value on the performance...
My guess is that Camaro at every level is the best value, based on performance variables.... then advertise THAT... not a JD powers award

mdhopt36 · 10-06-2018, 07:19 AM

I'm 6 feet tall, and my head is fairly low to the door. Maybe instead of raising the height of the ceiling/cab, they could lower the door height a smidge? Be great if you could lay your arm on a door with the window down comfortably !

My gripe, GM still messing around with a turbo'd I4. Positively stupid.

And for buying another, I would go for the front end on a V6 RS before I sat in a '19 SS.
19 SS is a jack-o-lantern with no teeth. Hideous.

DaveC113 · 10-06-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VinnAY

When I got mine in Jun I didn't get any indication of a sales "problem" as they wouldn't budge an inch of MSRP but I did get a screaming deal on my trade though.

Camaro has a horrid for visibility which there are problems but having the seat up vs down (vertically) makes a difference for me. Those that drive these and you see half their head over the door sill, ya I bet you can't see shit out of it.

When I first got into the car I thought the small windows would be a dealbreaker, but I found with seat height and mirrors adjusted it's not too bad. Still not good but not liveable. Those who don't adjust seat and mirrors appropriately may decide it just won't work for them. Then there are those who just can't adapt to the car because sight angles.

It's more like a large BRZ/FRS, more like a sports car vs the competition. I love it but many won't want to live with it as a DD.

Deputy Dog · 10-06-2018, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Glen e

Advertising won't do a damn thing for the Camaro. The Camaro is well known and everybody knows it's out there. And anything in terms of advertising would just be a short term tactical maneuver. The simple truth is there is just not as many people by muscle cars now and for some reason they're not buying the Camaro if they're gonna buy a muscle car. . The younger generations are just not buying and interested in......muscle cars.

And I don't know how you change the market so the Camaro sells better. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with the car, and any of the minor tweaks that they've made to the front or the back have nothing to do with the problem. I was in the corporate car business with BMW, Porsche, and Honda for 35 years, and saw every way possible for a mfr to sell cars, but in this case "the dogs don't like the dog food" as they say. And I'm not sure what the answer is. It is a shifting demographic and psychographic, that the Camaro just can't current capture in volume. Harley has the same exact problem.

If its so well known how come I always have people ask me what it is?

Glen e · 10-06-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Dog

If its so well known how come I always have people ask me what it is?

because those that dont know what it is are not the norm.....

10-06-2018, 01:03 AM	#16
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10-06-2018, 02:32 AM	#21
Glen e Retired from Car mfrs.... Drives: 2LT RS/HR-V Join Date: May 2013 Location: /Fort Lauderdale Posts: 10,048	Advertising won't do a damn thing for the Camaro. The Camaro is well known and everybody knows it's out there. And anything in terms of advertising would just be a short term tactical maneuver. The simple truth is there is just not as many people by muscle cars now and for some reason they're not buying the Camaro if they're gonna buy a muscle car. . The younger generations are just not buying and interested in......muscle cars. And I don't know how you change the market so the Camaro sells better. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with the car, and any of the minor tweaks that they've made to the front or the back have nothing to do with the problem. I was in the corporate car business with BMW, Porsche, and Honda for 35 years, and saw every way possible for a mfr to sell cars, but in this case "the dogs don't like the dog food" as they say. And I'm not sure what the answer is. It is a shifting demographic and psychographic, that the Camaro just can't current capture in volume. Harley has the same exact problem. __________________ Glen CLICK HERE for detailing a new car: detailing for non detailers CLICK HERE for how to rinseless CLICK HERE for EASY wheel sealant Last edited by Glen e; 10-06-2018 at 08:42 AM.

10-06-2018, 01:05 AM	#17
Michael2000 Drives: . Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Southern California Posts: 467	I don't think the new SS styling is going to help for 2019.

10-06-2018, 02:03 AM	#20
Deputy Dog Banned Drives: 2017 Super Sport Cam. Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: US Posts: 893	When I was a kid I had a bicycle forsale...for months I tried to sell it with no luck. I wondered why...then like a ton of bricks it hit me ...silly me ..I forgot to advertise it as being forsale. I stuck it in the Want Ad and sold it 3 days later. LOL...Chevy's stooopid.

10-06-2018, 06:22 AM	#22
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	Everyone keeps saying that advertising is the issue. Well, I dont see Mustang ads of any kind out there, and they are the segment leader. Its simply sign of the times with car sales in general along with the fact the the other cars in the segment are appealing to more people. It just goes to show that building the best car doesnt always equal highest sells. You still need to build a car that people will want.

10-06-2018, 06:30 AM	#23
VinnAY Account Suspended Drives: 18 1SS/1LE Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Missouri Posts: 939	When I got mine in Jun I didn't get any indication of a sales "problem" as they wouldn't budge an inch of MSRP but I did get a screaming deal on my trade though. Camaro has a horrid for visibility which there are problems but having the seat up vs down (vertically) makes a difference for me. Those that drive these and you see half their head over the door sill, ya I bet you can't see shit out of it.

10-06-2018, 06:56 AM	#24
Cmax Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS FIFTY convertible Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 366	I am curious about comparable sales of the higher end performance packages. How does the SS compare to GT and hellcats.... I think on the lower cost models Mustang is the cheapest, and dodge is the biggest looking sporty looking car, that can haul drywall in a pinch...lol I think it would be a fun exercise to take each model, with each package, SS, ZL1, 4 cyl, 6 cyl....and determine performance for your buck...and do the same for the competitors. Maybe the calculation could be to add Horsepower and torque, divided into the MSRP for that car. I’m not sure if you could factor in other variables like 0-100-0 to put a value on the performance... My guess is that Camaro at every level is the best value, based on performance variables.... then advertise THAT... not a JD powers award

10-06-2018, 07:19 AM	#25
mdhopt36 Drives: '17- 1ag37 V6 traded, for 1SS 2018! Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: MA Posts: 469	I'm 6 feet tall, and my head is fairly low to the door. Maybe instead of raising the height of the ceiling/cab, they could lower the door height a smidge? Be great if you could lay your arm on a door with the window down comfortably ! My gripe, GM still messing around with a turbo'd I4. Positively stupid. And for buying another, I would go for the front end on a V6 RS before I sat in a '19 SS. 19 SS is a jack-o-lantern with no teeth. Hideous.

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