Jun 2017 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)

Enator · 07-03-2017, 09:58 AM

Jun 2017 Delivery (sales) Stats:

Camaro Jun 2017 Deliveries (actual sales):4,691 -6% (Pr Ye)

Compared to Competition:

Mustang Jun 2017 Delivery (sales):6,186 -38% (Pr Ye)
Challenger Jun 2017 Delivery (sales):6,605 24% (Pr Ye)

RubberChicken · 07-03-2017, 10:01 AM

I can't imagine why anyone would buy the new Mustang. It looks like a horrid fusion between a Fusion and a previous generation of Mustang.

DenverTaco07 · 07-03-2017, 10:13 AM

Again, as reported by GM today:

"U.S. daily rental sales were down nearly 11,000 vehicles or 54 percent in June, as planned. "

This is for entire GM line, but I guess my point is...well, firstly is your Camaro not as cool if it doesn't outsell the Mustang? And secondly it is very hard to look at these sales comparison numbers and actually evaluate what they mean, in reality. Would it mean something different if half of those mustang sales were to Enterprise and Hertz?

FYI, my GM stock is up 3% this morning.

I would be more interested in seeing more detailed sales data, what type of sale, what was the model trim level etc.

DrkPhx · 07-03-2017, 10:42 AM

I have to give Dodge credit; the sales for the Challenger have steadily increased since 2009 and it's still on the same platform. I think the Mustang sales will jump back up once the 2018 goes on sale.

RenegadeXR · 07-03-2017, 10:46 AM

Ouch. Camaro took a nosedive. What's interesting is that this is the first time the Challenger, a nearly 10 year old car at this point, is in the lead. I wonder if FCA's marketing of the Demon is causing a halo effect. They certainly know how to get attention, unlike GM.

I also stand by the idea that people just like a rockin' classic looking Muscle car at a lower price point. Ford and GM abandoned this notion in their latest generations and left a lot of people behind, I think. If I was ever in the market for a new car, I hate to admit it, but a Scat Pack would be on my radar. Like a lot of people, I could care less about handling or track day performance and more about road presence. It's nice to see GM go after the likes of BMW, Porsche, and European brands, but it's not an objective I can associate with at a personal level.

Michigan1LTRS · 07-03-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

Ouch. Camaro took a nosedive and is now a distant 3rd behind the ancient Challenger yet again.

No, Mustang generally outsells Camaro. Nothing new there. Mustang sales are down 38% compared to only 6% for Camaro. I think that is the number that tells the story.

RenegadeXR · 07-03-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Michigan1LTRS

No, Mustang generally outsells Camaro. Nothing new there. Mustang sales are down 38% compared to only 6% for Camaro. I think that is the number that tells the story.

That's kind of deflecting by changing the scope, though. This is about monthly sales. Camaro is 3rd for July. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Yes, the performance car market is hurting overall though. It's a matter of who is dropping fastest. Challenger somehow is bucking the market trend.

Michigan1LTRS · 07-03-2017, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

That's kind of deflecting by changing the scope, though. This is about monthly sales. Camaro is 3rd for July. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Yes, the performance car market is hurting overall though. It's a matter of who is dropping fastest. Challenger somehow is bucking the market trend.

Yes, it is good to see Challeger at those levels. I like all three vehicles and we all need each other. Long live muscle!!!

LuvMI · 07-03-2017, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

Still surprised by the Euro (15+) Mustang sales. It looks like crap. This coming from someone who has owned 2 Mustangs and still has 1 of them.

I agree with RubberChicken too on these points.

ssrs2lt · 07-03-2017, 12:06 PM

Crushed again..4k during summer isn't good

Bongos2U · 07-03-2017, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ssrs2lt

Crushed again..4k during summer isn't good

Correct. June should have been a good sales month for Camaro. I sincerely hope that sales don't tank for July.

I thought June would have been a good sales month. Been seeing alot more new Camaros in my area lately (no rentals, all had dealership license plates).

Silly me.

Molasar · 07-03-2017, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberChicken

I can't imagine why anyone would buy the new Mustang. It looks like a horrid fusion between a Fusion and a previous generation of Mustang.

Test driving both, the Mustang was very comfortable, sounded better in my opinion than the Camaro and the interior was arguably on par with the Camaro. I also felt ford was stepping up it's game on the clutch, it just felt better than past generations.

That said, I'm driving a 16 2SS right now.

It was a very close choice though. Power/speed won it for the Camaro.

Molasar · 07-03-2017, 12:34 PM

Why so upset?
Less Camaro sales = my car being more unique on the road.

It also comes down to the Camaros pricing being about the same. It's not nearly as competitive as the Mustang or frankly the Challenger. If you're blue collar, live in a low income household but want a new toy. I guarantee you that $5000-7000 different between the GT Premium and 2SS is going to lead you to go Mustang every time.

Let them outsell the Camaro! Let them be the "working mans friend" the "Value muscle car". I'm not trying to sound snobby, I came from a Mustang GT back in 2005 and all mustang owners knew what was the better/quality car.. and it was not what we were driving.

Mustang Fanboy · 07-03-2017, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molasar

Why so upset?
Less Camaro sales = my car being more unique on the road.

It also comes down to the Camaros pricing being about the same. It's not nearly as competitive as the Mustang or frankly the Challenger. If you're blue collar, live in a low income household but want a new toy. I guarantee you that $5000-7000 different between the GT Premium and 2SS is going to lead you to go Mustang every time.

Let them outsell the Camaro! Let them be the "working mans friend" the "Value muscle car". I'm not trying to sound snobby, I came from a Mustang GT back in 2005 and all mustang owners knew what was the better/quality car.. and it was not what we were driving.

And yet, you sound snobby. Any way you cut it, both cars are blue collar...and neither are being driven by low income households.

Sales on both fronts are seriously terrible. The mustang however is at the end of it's third year before a significant refresh (mechanically). I'm curious to see how quickly they pull out 0% financing for 72 months.

Something else to think about is with less sales comes less aftermarket. While having a unique vehicle is cool, the camaro is not remotely unique, nor should you want it to be.

There is a reason the aftermarket on the mustang is so massive. Why would you not want more aftermarket options?

07-03-2017, 09:58 AM	#1
Enator Drives: 2011 SHELBY GT500 & Volvo S80 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 395	Jun 2017 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger) Jun 2017 Delivery (sales) Stats: Camaro Jun 2017 Deliveries (actual sales):4,691 -6% (Pr Ye) Compared to Competition: Mustang Jun 2017 Delivery (sales):6,186 -38% (Pr Ye) Challenger Jun 2017 Delivery (sales):6,605 24% (Pr Ye) Attached Images

07-03-2017, 10:01 AM	#2
RubberChicken Drives: 2011 IBM 1LT w white Rally Stripes Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Dallas Posts: 396 View My Garage	I can't imagine why anyone would buy the new Mustang. It looks like a horrid fusion between a Fusion and a previous generation of Mustang. __________________

07-03-2017, 10:13 AM	#3
DenverTaco07 Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2017 Volt, 2013 Pilot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,274	Again, as reported by GM today: "U.S. daily rental sales were down nearly 11,000 vehicles or 54 percent in June, as planned. " This is for entire GM line, but I guess my point is...well, firstly is your Camaro not as cool if it doesn't outsell the Mustang? And secondly it is very hard to look at these sales comparison numbers and actually evaluate what they mean, in reality. Would it mean something different if half of those mustang sales were to Enterprise and Hertz? FYI, my GM stock is up 3% this morning. I would be more interested in seeing more detailed sales data, what type of sale, what was the model trim level etc. __________________ 2017 SS 1LE \| HBM \| Vortech V3-Si supercharger (620RWHP and 575ft lbs) \| PDR \| Black Bowties \| Illuminated Front Black Bowtie \| Illuminated Door Sills \| Smoked Tails \| vented seats mod

07-03-2017, 10:46 AM	#5
RenegadeXR Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,849	Ouch. Camaro took a nosedive. What's interesting is that this is the first time the Challenger, a nearly 10 year old car at this point, is in the lead. I wonder if FCA's marketing of the Demon is causing a halo effect. They certainly know how to get attention, unlike GM. I also stand by the idea that people just like a rockin' classic looking Muscle car at a lower price point. Ford and GM abandoned this notion in their latest generations and left a lot of people behind, I think. If I was ever in the market for a new car, I hate to admit it, but a Scat Pack would be on my radar. Like a lot of people, I could care less about handling or track day performance and more about road presence. It's nice to see GM go after the likes of BMW, Porsche, and European brands, but it's not an objective I can associate with at a personal level. __________________ Disclaimer: Unless specific sources are cited, all of the above is my subjective opinion. No warranties, expressed or implied, are granted. This is a car forum, after all.

07-03-2017, 12:06 PM	#10
ssrs2lt Drives: too many Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: oh va pa ma tx Posts: 3,046	Crushed again..4k during summer isn't good __________________

07-03-2017, 10:42 AM	#4
DrkPhx Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 / 2006 TB SS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: MN Posts: 2,250	I have to give Dodge credit; the sales for the Challenger have steadily increased since 2009 and it's still on the same platform. I think the Mustang sales will jump back up once the 2018 goes on sale.

07-03-2017, 12:34 PM	#13
Molasar Stormtrooper Edition Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: May 2017 Location: The South Posts: 52	Why so upset? Less Camaro sales = my car being more unique on the road. It also comes down to the Camaros pricing being about the same. It's not nearly as competitive as the Mustang or frankly the Challenger. If you're blue collar, live in a low income household but want a new toy. I guarantee you that $5000-7000 different between the GT Premium and 2SS is going to lead you to go Mustang every time. Let them outsell the Camaro! Let them be the "working mans friend" the "Value muscle car". I'm not trying to sound snobby, I came from a Mustang GT back in 2005 and all mustang owners knew what was the better/quality car.. and it was not what we were driving.

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