[s346k]

it’s always funny to read the brochure repeaters and their logic

well you see the camaro had exactly 305 hp but the ws6 with the ram air had 320 hp so the extra power coming from the ram air setup certainly made the ta a beast

fwiw my 00 a4 z28 ran 12.0s @ 112 - stall and bolt ons. the car beat everything’s ass on the street that was 120 or slower because it would hook. my exwife had a lowered 99 ws6 m6 with lid and fm80 series that would pull on my camaro from a roll. at the time, the car went 13.2 @ 111 with her driving.

i think a stock auto v6 vs stock ls1 a4 would be a toss up. my stock a4 car went 14.1 like xerox while my friends car went 13.3 like xerox. we dunno why, his car had 140k miles on it and mine had 30. good times. kinda funny how an ls1 fbod was the bar for so long...what’s the new bar? coyote car?

[cooper1965]

Originally Posted by s346k

im gonna go out on a limb and say there’s something wrong with that lsjuan. i doubt the turbo 4 runs 7.7s in the 1/8.

Yeah, my car didn't run a 7.7's in the 8th, and a stock LS definitely doesn't run 7.7's in the 8th either lol... So I'm not sure what the point there is, but its kind of hilarious how positive you are a tuned 2.0 couldn't possibly hang with a stock, or lightly modded LS. Yet you believe a 6g V6 and 4g LS is a toss up? Typical fail.

[Umbriel]

A good running LS is too much for either the 4 or 6 cylinder, period. Problem is they are 20 years old now and beat all to hell.

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[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by TrickracenLS3

Actually the SS was pushing 320HP, Z28 was 305HP. The new 2.0 Turbo is 275HP. Check this out
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=2018+camaro+2.0+horsepower

Actually the LS1 Camaro was the same as a Corvette. The numbers were pure "protect the Vette" marketing.




Which is still going on today
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...-the-corvette/

[Craig]

My 2001 Z28 ran 13.1@109 with an air box lid and short throw shifter. I had a 2019 V6 as a rental for a weekend, but traffic was never light enough for me to get a really good romp. The new car doesn’t pull on the top end anywhere near a good running LS1 but is so much more fun to drive that I hardly noticed.

[cellsafemode]

Had a 2001 z28 before my 2016 v6 .
The v6 will match it acceleration wise. It will own it in handling and in efficiency.

[protovack]

It's funny, despite all the individual components getting massively lighter over the past 20 years, I think a stock F-body SS was still lighter than a 6th gen SS, by like 100 pounds at least. The problem is that components must be stouter to handle the increased power and so its like an arms race, more power, heavier duty transmission, more gears, driveshaft, and rear end, heavier wheels/tires, etc.

What everyone used to use as the bar for a "serious performance car"--a sub 6 second 0-60 time, the 4 and 6 cylinder 6th gens can do that easily. The whole game has shifted.

Chevrolet has always been up to some trickery, though. It used to be under-rating the Camaro, because it reinforced the very successful marketing strategy of providing a lot of performance for little money. Now they do things like leave power on the table with the LTG knowing its going to be the tuner car and people won't buy it if there is nothing to tune. Once again, its the volume car and doing that reinforces the very same principle-- Camaro is a car that will give you a lot of performance for little money. Ironically, the Camaro SS has slipped ever so slightly in the direction of the corvette--the advertised power for the new LT1 is a tad overrated, actually.

No matter what your flavor is, I think we can all agree that the F-body camaro team would be flat out astounded by the 6th gen car in all trims.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by s346k

kinda funny how an ls1 fbod was the bar for so long...what’s the new bar? coyote car?

Nope. Claims on the internet that the 2018 A10 Coyote is 3 tenths quicker than the SS are proving to be false. Truth from the dragstrip that I've been seeing is that the A10 Coyote still doesn't quite match the SS, let alone beat it. Nice for the Mustang guys that Ford put in the race tune (drag mode) that turns off the torque management. But even with that trick, they still are not running quicker than the SS in the real world.

[HCI2000SS]

Another interesting fact is the weight difference between these cars. For a totally fair comparison my buddy and I weighed our rides on a local CAT scale on the same day back to back. Both had a full tank as well to keep it as fair as possible. His is a 2001 WS6 auto, and mine a 2018 RS V6 auto. His was 3580 lbs, and mine was 3430 lbs. Obviously a SS and Z28 are a tad lighter, but so is the turbo 4. I honestly thought the two cars would be a little closer in weight

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by protovack

It's funny, despite all the individual components getting massively lighter over the past 20 years, I think a stock F-body SS was still lighter than a 6th gen SS, by like 100 pounds at least. The problem is that components must be stouter to handle the increased power and so its like an arms race, more power, heavier duty transmission, more gears, driveshaft, and rear end, heavier wheels/tires, etc.

What everyone used to use as the bar for a "serious performance car"--a sub 6 second 0-60 time, the 4 and 6 cylinder 6th gens can do that easily. The whole game has shifted.

Chevrolet has always been up to some trickery, though. It used to be under-rating the Camaro, because it reinforced the very successful marketing strategy of providing a lot of performance for little money. Now they do things like leave power on the table with the LTG knowing its going to be the tuner car and people won't buy it if there is nothing to tune. Once again, its the volume car and doing that reinforces the very same principle-- Camaro is a car that will give you a lot of performance for little money. Ironically, the Camaro SS has slipped ever so slightly in the direction of the corvette--the advertised power for the new LT1 is a tad overrated, actually.

No matter what your flavor is, I think we can all agree that the F-body camaro team would be flat out astounded by the 6th gen car in all trims.

I'm also pretty sure safety has a lot to do with weight. The alpha chassis is much much safer in crashes than the fbody and safer than even the zeta 5th gen

[CamaroChriSS]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

I'm also pretty sure safety has a lot to do with weight. The alpha chassis is much much safer in crashes than the fbody and safer than even the zeta 5th gen

That was one of my selling points to my wife. “If I crash in my 4th gen I will die, but if I crash in 6th gen I have a much better chance of being ok”

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

My best friend drove a '99 Camaro SS back in the early 2000s. That thing, in it's day, was a beast for a mostly stock car. He had 4.10s and an aftermarket airbox installed. That thing would pull very hard with just those two mods. The airbox added 15 rwhp, I was there for the before and after dynos, 20 mins. or so apart. I promise it would waste a current turbo-4 Camaro at only 275 crank hp. I always liked that black SS. He eventually did a full build: ported heads/cam/LT headers/full bolt ons and put down 400+ rwhp which was actually a little light and we were expecting 425-430 rwhp. My '95 LT1 with full bolt ons and Comp 305 mid-level cam made 340 rwhp on the stock heads. My Trans Am was fast for its 340 rwhp. I have many, many hours under the hoods on both of those cars doing all those upgrades. We were lucky in that some future NFL cheerleaders (literally) were our neighbors and would bring us hot chocolate and stuff on cold days while we were working under the hood. Good days.

[s346k]

Originally Posted by cooper1965

Yeah, my car didn't run a 7.7's in the 8th, and a stock LS definitely doesn't run 7.7's in the 8th either lol... So I'm not sure what the point there is, but its kind of hilarious how positive you are a tuned 2.0 couldn't possibly hang with a stock, or lightly modded LS. Yet you believe a 6g V6 and 4g LS is a toss up? Typical fail.

i don’t think a tuned 2.0 would hang with a bolt on ls1, maybe to the 1/8. simply judging by the ones i had, esp the stick cars. they were quite a bit faster from a roll.

what do the v6 6g cars run? low14s/high 13s? i saw MANY stock ls1 cars doing the same at the track. my bolt on a4 car was a complete anomaly going low 12s.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by s346k

what do the v6 6g cars run? low14s/high 13s? i saw MANY stock ls1 cars doing the same at the track. my bolt on a4 car was a complete anomaly going low 12s.

There was a 6th gen V6 next to me at the dragstrip and it ran a 13.899@103.33mph.