Is there any legitamate reason to choose a 5th gen over a 6th gen for a track focused - Page 3

apexit53 · 12-22-2018, 08:02 PM

Id say you're looking at getting an SS 1LE. And go from there.

D K · 12-23-2018, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by apexit53

Id say you're looking at getting an SS 1LE. And go from there.

Ok, so whats the best way to get there?

Getting a new 1le or getting a used base and upgrading to 1le?

Norm Peterson · 12-23-2018, 07:46 AM

The easy answer is to just get the new 1LE. Matching its track performance ought to be possible, but it didn't happen with a number of approaches taken by Chevrolet themself in their own testing with a variety of GM over-the-counter kits.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542333

Norm

D K · 12-23-2018, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

The easy answer is to just get the new 1LE. Matching its track performance ought to be possible, but it didn't happen with a number of approaches taken by Chevrolet themself in their own testing with a variety of GM over-the-counter kits.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542333

Norm

Im not looking for the ‘easy’ answer.

Im looking to see if it would be more cost effective to convert a base SS to a 1LE and take the cost savings

Norm Peterson · 12-23-2018, 09:31 AM

Well, the not-so-easy answer is probably going to have you looking into possible differences in stability control and ABS calibrations.

Norm

D K · 12-23-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Well, the not-so-easy answer is probably going to have you looking into possible differences in stability control and ABS calibrations.

Norm

Are there any?

I know the S550 platform advertises calibration differences for their Performance Pack models.

Norm Peterson · 12-23-2018, 09:45 AM

I did find this, which at least suggests that there are some differences.

Norm

D K · 12-23-2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I did find this, which at least suggests that there are some differences.

Norm

Some differences between the Corvette and Camaro - sure.
What about 1LE and base SS?

Im not really worried about the stability anyway since I turn all that stuff of, but I would be seriously interested in the ABS calibrations as I would like that on track.

FNxR3DNECK · 12-23-2018, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by D K

Im not looking for the ‘easy’ answer.

Im looking to see if it would be more cost effective to convert a base SS to a 1LE and take the cost savings

The answer to that is NO. Sure you can add the 1LE spec suspension kit to a regular SS but there’s a few things you can’t just add. Namely the eDiff, PDR, and PTM. Those three things (in my opinion) are what truly sets the 1LE apart from a track modded SS. The diff is magical for putting power down off corners and if you use PTM properly 90% it will make you faster, and of course you gotta love the PDR! So yea if you are gonna go with an SS go for the 1LE.

Norm Peterson · 12-23-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by D K

Some differences between the Corvette and Camaro - sure.
What about 1LE and base SS?

They limited the comparison to 1LE vs Corvette. Not 6th gen (generally) vs 'Vette.

Perhaps that would be a good question for the 'Ask Al' section.

Norm

D K · 12-23-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

The answer to that is NO. Sure you can add the 1LE spec suspension kit to a regular SS but there’s a few things you can’t just add. Namely the eDiff, PDR, and PTM. Those three things (in my opinion) are what truly sets the 1LE apart from a track modded SS. The diff is magical for putting power down off corners and if you use PTM properly 90% it will make you faster, and of course you gotta love the PDR! So yea if you are gonna go with an SS go for the 1LE.

Ok!
Good to know!

I keep forgetting about the ediff....
Thats because most of the time ediff is mentioned, its this idiotic idea of braking individual wheels and calling it limited slip.

apexit53 · 12-23-2018, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by D K

Ok, so whats the best way to get there?

Getting a new 1le or getting a used base and upgrading to 1le?

The one thing you will never get with the base SS is the ELSD. For that reason alone the 1LE is the way to go!! And id live to sell you mine but if your looking for those track day numbers, 1LE erry day

TrackClub · 12-24-2018, 01:06 AM

If you want to mod a car start with a C5Z and then throw money at it. Proly best cost effective platform to build a track car out of a street car.
If you want a street car that will do double duty and outperform cars costing twice or even three times more, then SS 1LE is a no brainer.
Simply said, it is a Vette GS with 2 extra seats for half the cost. It doesn't get any better than that imo. Especially that it is easier to drive at 10/10ths owing to its superb balance right out of the box bone stock (with proper alignment). And it has far better seats too (i dont miss my old 5 point harness at all). And yes, as others have said: e-LSD = magic!

KeithO · 12-24-2018, 04:34 AM

I am in the same position as D K.

Very interesting thread. That you all for the great tech.

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12-23-2018, 07:46 AM	#31
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	The easy answer is to just get the new 1LE. Matching its track performance ought to be possible, but it didn't happen with a number of approaches taken by Chevrolet themself in their own testing with a variety of GM over-the-counter kits. https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=542333 Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

12-23-2018, 09:31 AM	#33
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	Well, the not-so-easy answer is probably going to have you looking into possible differences in stability control and ABS calibrations. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

12-23-2018, 09:45 AM	#35
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	I did find this, which at least suggests that there are some differences. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

12-24-2018, 01:06 AM	#41
TrackClub Drives: 2020 SS 1LE (previous: 2017 SS 1LE) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada, eh! Posts: 5,091	If you want to mod a car start with a C5Z and then throw money at it. Proly best cost effective platform to build a track car out of a street car. If you want a street car that will do double duty and outperform cars costing twice or even three times more, then SS 1LE is a no brainer. Simply said, it is a Vette GS with 2 extra seats for half the cost. It doesn't get any better than that imo. Especially that it is easier to drive at 10/10ths owing to its superb balance right out of the box bone stock (with proper alignment). And it has far better seats too (i dont miss my old 5 point harness at all). And yes, as others have said: e-LSD = magic!

12-24-2018, 04:34 AM	#42
KeithO Drives: 01 Z28, 1990 NASCAR Busch North Car Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Beaver, PA Posts: 36	I am in the same position as D K. Very interesting thread. That you all for the great tech.

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