01-19-2020, 09:37 AM | #141 | |
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The 6th gen back seat is probably classified by most as being unusable. The Challenger's back seat area is huge in comparison and from what I recall when checking them out, even the Mustang's is at least as big as the 4th gen and somewhat usable.
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01-19-2020, 09:51 AM | #142 | |
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Why is Mustang up? How about the ability to get 25% off in the 4th quarter like any other company. F-150's were 33% off too. Trying to raise cash at Ford, Chev must not need it ripping off people with those lame Blazers at 50k. Woman at work bought one, she said she got 3k off 51k MSRP, wow she is getting screwed at trade in time Bear |
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01-19-2020, 10:56 AM | #143 | |
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Corvette making points with the C8 for being able to hold two sets is brilliant marketing and advertising (lol) for the Corvette. Golf = Money. You couldn't find a better segment to be popular with than golfers. I went with a rear seat delete in my 5th Gen for track purposes and.....golf! Last edited by 90503; 01-19-2020 at 11:38 AM. |
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01-19-2020, 12:02 PM | #144 | |
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On the Trans Am, it was a reference to styling which the Buick grossly lacks. That said, there was a time in the mid eighties when Buick made a nice car (for the time), the Grand National. It was an exercise in technology for the time when considering the government interference on auto manufacturing overall. Unfortunately the GN was a short lived program. Prior to those dark days each platform had it's own engine. When you say GM knows what it is doing I think your claim is blindly stated because I can name a number of models which were pretty much DOA. GM needs to improve and properly market what they sell. When you piss off a buyer he is likely less prone to give you a second opportunity. That is what GM might focus on.. LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMER, PERIOD! Why build the pos 8 spd transmission for years before you change it? That is an unacceptable practice. Always have a plan B on the shelf.
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The Camaro is failing again because the Corvette is a glass ceiling to Camaro and the design team made poor choices.
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01-20-2020, 04:04 PM | #147 | |
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Products that arrive DOA are NOT due to lack of TV advertisement, which is the whole point of this current discussion. A TV ad will not fix a product with limitations, be it styling or simply too focused on a specific customer e.g. Camaro. Do you think a cool, bad a$$ TV commercial would have made up for that 8 speed transmission you refer to? The argument people on here are making is, "he77 yeah it would". But of course simply logic as you are pointing out suggests it would not. It's simply the product. All the coolest TV ads in the world aren't going to get Cadillac to outsell BMW, MB or Audi or even Lexus. For example when GM did the ATS, they did the same thing they did with the Camaro, slammed the roof and raised the belt line for the cool look Ed Whelburn wanted. Result? Poor visibility and no rear seat head room. The CTS? It was simply the result of trying to make an E Class Car from a C Class. The floor had to be raised higher simply because they put bigger wheels on a smaller car architecture. In both cases, the cars horribly underperformed in sales. Only China volume as Cadillac is actually kind of gaining steam there, is helping. ATS in it's best year did maybe 25,000 units. It's planning volume was 100,000. It was NOT due to the lack of TV ads. You are going WAYYYY back in time to claim each model had it's own engine. That goes back to when GM was sooo big the government tried to break it up. Yep, GM had a Chevy, Olds and Buick Small Block V8 and Pontiac, Olds, Chevy and Cadillac had unique Big Blocks. GM actually got sued many years ago when someone realized they got a Chevy Small Block in their Oldsmobile. But that's like 30 plus years ago. But hey if the Aztec is fair game from 20 odd years ago, I suppose anything GM did that was stupid is fair game. And if you don't remember the Rendezvous you are either too young or simply weren't paying attention. Not Chinese made product LOL, that's the current Buick Envision, but it was the 3 row version of the Aztec. So as much as everyone likes to make fun of the Aztec (fun story, I had a CTF driving to Florida and a family passed us and the kid in the backseat was laughing his butt off) it's sister vehicle did quite well. So the Camaro isn't selling poorly because of the lack of TV advertising, and it isn't selling poorly because the people behind it are stupid or uninterested. It's the product. And it was perfectly designed for just the people they asked. As I said, if you want to fault GM for poor Camaro sales, it's simply they asked the wrong people what they wanted in the Gen6 Camaro. And as I said earlier, from what I understand, they only asked a select group of Camaro faithful. And that's why we got the best Camaro of all time, because they unanimously said MOHRRRRRR. But not a Camaro with wider appeal, hence the sales. Remember, the number 1 car in the segment selling almost double Camaro volumes does NOT do TV ads. And the Gen5 that actually hit 100,000 units in 1 year, did not do TV advertisements. Let me just quote Mrs. Number 3 here (Bachelors degree in Marketing, Masters degree in Marketing and Marketing Manager for Corvette earlier in her career working very close with Camaro Marketing Manger Scott Settlemire, you know him, resurrected the Camaro, yeah that guy) "Everyone thinks they know how to do marketing". And if you worked in Product Development in the auto industry like I have for pushing 40 years (yikes) you would fully understand that quote, as even engineers think they know better (we don't lol). So we laugh and laugh in our household when we read, "if GM was just smart enough to do TV commercials for the Camaro they would sell like crazy", mostly because we know those people you all think are stupid and we still call some of them our friends. I can assure you they aren't stupid, or lacking experience or missing the desire to sell more Camaros. And I can assure you they have more passion for the Camaro and Corvette in their pinky fingers than anyone in this thread.
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