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Old 10-25-2017, 09:04 PM   #547
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I was at Edgewater on Friday night, a stock 17 A10 ran 11.05 on drag radials, other than that he said it was stock.
I ran a pair of 11.4s @ 123, bone stock barely broken in, stock tires @ 35 psi.
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Old 10-25-2017, 09:52 PM   #548
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Is it safe to say that us M6 ZL1 folks need a CAI, pulley and tune just to keep up with those of you with the A8/A10?

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I would say more than likely, yes.
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Well my car will be getting a handful mods over the winter. I’m very happy with the car and the potential, but I can’t wait for all the stars to be aligned to make a 10 sec pass. My 8 time slips are all over the place ranging from best at 11.24@126.05 - 11.56@123.
If that's your best to worst, that's really pretty consistent. Most of my runs are between 11.4X and 11.1X now, depending on traction at launch, but early on I had runs all the way up to 12.0. Of course I was trying every different way I could think of to launch the car, to see how it responded.
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Well if the ZL1 isn't capable of a stock 10 second pass as I predicted it would, it will be interesting to see who can do it with the least amount of mods. I would be extremely disappointed and surprised if it isn't done completely stock, though.
I don't think I'll be able to do it with my loaded ZL1 and my heavy arse, but I think a much lighter driver and car should be able to sneak into the 10s
Do you have the sunroof on yours then? That's really the only option I can think of, besides the trans, that adds much weight. The A10 is definitely a must to run 10s bone stock, it appears. I'm planning on heading back to Bowling Green November 4th, hoping for some really good DA and the same track prep that's been there every time I've been thus far. If I get both of those, I'm really confident I'll run a high 10 bone stock. I'm also really confident I could've already ran several 10s with just drag radials, but I'll not know for sure until I get a set.
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I truly feel a tune alone would net 10s.
I agree.
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I am very happy with my 11.10 but it did have a cai. Our best mph was 129 on a 11.16 run. Since then I have done pulley tune headers and throttle body. Have not ran it but t is a lot faster for sure.
I don't feel like the CAI really adds that much power, so those are some really good numbers. Even if the CAI adds more than I think, they're still good.
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I was at Edgewater on Friday night, a stock 17 A10 ran 11.05 on drag radials, other than that he said it was stock.
I ran a pair of 11.4s @ 123, bone stock barely broken in, stock tires @ 35 psi.
Do you know the DA and 60' times? Those are good times.
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Old 10-26-2017, 07:09 AM   #549
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Is it safe to say that us M6 ZL1 folks need a CAI, pulley and tune just to keep up with those of you with the A8/A10?

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I would say more than likely, yes.

Thank you, that's sad to say the least.
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Old 10-26-2017, 07:58 AM   #550
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Thank you, that's sad to say the least.
I would think the 2 would be closer if roll racing. From a dig, it's going to be hard for the manual to keep up, unfortunately.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:20 AM   #551
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Anyone got any kind of miles on a car yet? I know the 4th gen ls didn’t wake up till 30k. Many local cars at gainesville started seeing mid 11s 111-114 where when New only running 12.4-11.9 107-110. I had a 1994 z28 and buddies with the newer ls stuff the more miles the faster they got for sure. I only have 1700 on my car now I bet same with a lot of guys running them so many tight Motors running around.

Second it just hit 68 for the first time yesterday here in Florida and what a difference in cooler air. Till then I hadn’t drove in anything but 80s and high humidity car felt like it had 50 more hp easy.

On my logs going home I got it setup a little better to log more and though from a 25-120 mph pull I was on the floor commanding 100 percent the throttle was at an actual of 100 to as low as 52 percent.

Not ready to fight this battle yet but sucks knowing it’s an adjustment away from 10s in my eyes as a tuner. Maybe if enough of us complain GM will give us a better tune.
Looks like you're giving the 4th gen cars an extra second off of their times. I would've loved if mine was that fast stock when I had it. Lol!

Lower temps will definitely knock a .1 or .2 off the quarter with these cars. Maybe more if it's a big temp and humidity drop.

I know what you're saying on the throttle control. There's no way I should be able to turn everything off with the power the LT4 makes and only get slightly more wheel spin than with traction control on.

I also think a tune alone would put these cars in the 10s. It may make them a bit of a handful with everything off and maybe lose some consistency at the track with stock tires, but I'd prefer to have it that way. If you want the consistency or comfort, just run the car with TC on. Put drag radials on it and it should really move.
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:26 AM   #552
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Thank you, that's sad to say the least.
It's not sad. It's expected for the autos to be faster and more consistent in a drag race. Been that way for a long long time. If i didn't take a knee injury last year, I'd have gotten a stick just for the feeling of rowing my own gears. But I know full well that I'd have to give up a few tenths to an auto just to have that feeling of more connectedness (new word patent pending) that I love.
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:31 AM   #553
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Anyone got any kind of miles on a car yet? I know the 4th gen ls didn’t wake up till 30k. Many local cars at gainesville started seeing mid 11s 111-114 where when New only running 12.4-11.9 107-110. I had a 1994 z28 and buddies with the newer ls stuff the more miles the faster they got for sure. I only have 1700 on my car now I bet same with a lot of guys running them so many tight Motors running around.

Second it just hit 68 for the first time yesterday here in Florida and what a difference in cooler air. Till then I hadn’t drove in anything but 80s and high humidity car felt like it had 50 more hp easy. I envy you that live in places that see temps like that in the evening more often car is redicilous on this cooler pavement. Had traction all off on 295 here heading home from work at 330 yesterday running 70 they slowed to around 50 in front of me I changed lanes stood on it to jump in other lane and spun so bad damn near went side ways. Lol I think I’ll keep stability at least on in this cooler weather. Lol I have no doubt I can pick up half a second in this kind of weather as all cars here normally do from summer to winter temps and that’s if the car will let me. Which I now explain.

On my logs going home I got it setup a little better to log more and though from a 25-120 mph pull I was on the floor commanding 100 percent the throttle was at an actual of 100 to as low as 52 percent. So not only on the shifts is it closing when it thinks it’s making too much power or maybe boost it just starts closing down a lot. Probably why mods and no tunedont pick up squat on these cars it just sees too much torque gets pisssed and shits the throttle down. I have no doubt what so ever if the car just held wot it would go 10s in the heat seeing this log. My v sport does it. The ats v is terrible about it and read the z06 does it some but this is redicilous on this car. My 2016 v sport will close to about 68 percent to keep from the target of about 12-13 lbs of boost. I am not sure why this car is all over when boost is steady on it. GM can fix that in the tune and make a lot of people happy. Tune only might only pick up 40-50 hp peak but I bet under the curve where shits the throttle down it will get nice gains. I sat there stairing at my hptuners thinking hmmmm warranty or much better car. Not ready to fight this battle yet but sucks knowing it’s an adjustment away from 10s in my eyes as a tuner. Maybe if enough of us complain GM will give us a better tune.
If a few guys that have tuned their car can commmet maybe some others that have done logs and can see what their does now. I have read many tuners fight these cars to keep wot all the time. Heads cam cars picking up no power because it is closing the throttle and some can figure it out. It took me a long time to get my v sport right but now know the tricks it takes to make it work. Once I figure out how to post my log in real time I’ll show everyone what I am talking about. But makes sense why certain mods just don’t pick up much power at all with out the tune. It’s hitting a wall in the program for sure just hard to pin point by looking over the tables on the program as they seem high when you first look it over compared to a 5th gen program but this e92 is much different.
It's not worth blowing your warranty and resale value for a few tenths. If you are going to mod then it may be worth the risk but not for a tune.
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Old 10-27-2017, 02:50 PM   #554
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I didn't read all 41 pages but I'm thinking the tune/nannies are more conservative than I thought. We installed a Mamo TB and a roto fab in my cousins car. I used a BT reader and watch the boost numbers. I ran the car in 2nd gear to redline and got 10.6 lbs. then installed the mamo/RF, did the run again and got the same number. Just for shit and giggles I did the same run in 3rd gear and it went to 11.7 lbs boost. sucks we don't get full power in 1 and 2.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:37 PM   #555
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The M6 ZL1 is over-geared. There might be 4.10s coming out in the spring. I bet that will wake up the M6 cars.
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:18 PM   #556
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Looks like it has finally been done. GuitarmageddonZL1 on Youtube says he ran a 10.98 at 128 mph stock.
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I'm glad to see a 10 posted, but he did have drag radials and a CAI on his car. It would be interesting to see if he did indeed remove those to make a bone stock 10 second pass.
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I'm glad to see a 10 posted, but he did have drag radials and a CAI on his car. It would be interesting to see if he did indeed remove those to make a bone stock 10 second pass.
Did he have a CAI? I didn't know that. His claim is false if he has an intake. The DRs don't seem to do much, TM seems to limit the 60 foots more than actual traction.
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Guitarmageddons idea of completely stock includes drag radials. He did this earlier this year, click off a low 11s pass and claimed bone stock but had radials on lol.
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Did he have a CAI? I didn't know that. His claim is false if he has an intake. The DRs don't seem to do much, TM seems to limit the 60 foots more than actual traction.
Yeah he had a prototype cold air inductions intake on his car since back in the summer and had MT drag radials on it before that. He could've taken them off and went back bone stock, but normally guys don't do that.
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Guitarmageddons idea of completely stock includes drag radials. He did this earlier this year, click off a low 11s pass and claimed bone stock but had radials on lol.
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