[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I just love that SRT8 owners said they were in a league of their own so it's not fair to compare a SRT8 Challenger to a Camaro or Mustang but now they have the Hellcat and now it's okay....I still think it's a car with very inflated performance numbers and a one trick pony.

In all fairness its the first time Dodge owners have been able to claim they're on top. They can have their day...because that's all they'll have until they run into a modded Camaro or Mustang, and have to tuck their tail and whine about their locked ECM.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

Your posts are quickly starting to bore me. Gosh, now you're pulling cars from a different league into this?

Let's put things back into perspective here since you wont. The Hellcat is in the league of the Camaro & Mustang being its a pony/muscle car.

Pulling the C7 Z06 means your desperate and grasping for straws. Also, it's been noted that the base C7 Z06 will probably cost over 25K (85K starting price) more than the base Hellcat.

Originally Posted by motorhead

Once again someone that changes the conversation to the Corvette when the facts finally get to them. I would hope the Corvette could beat the challenger , or it would be a huge fail on GM's part. The Corvette is a full blown sports car and not in the same segment as the challenger.

If you were paying attention, you would have noticed joeybsyc said in post #1745 referring to the Hellokitty, that it is "much quicker than anything GM currently offers"

Now, for the sake of clarity, General Motors owns the Chevrolet brand does it not? And the Corvette is a Chevrolet, no? So in response to joeybsyc, I asked to clarify if he was referring to the Camaro (my post #1746), or all of GM, as certain Corvettes are in fact as fast or faster than the Hellokitty.

Yes, lets put things in perspective. The Hellokitty is a $60,000+ performance car is it not? Are buyers not free to choose other higher-priced performance cars or are we forced to purchase Mustang's, Camaro's and Challengers? The Hellokitty afterall costs more than a C7 Z51. Some of us might want to turn a corner now and then. It's great to have choices no?

[joeybsyc]

And I stand by that statement. The Hellcat is quicker than anything GM makes, INCLUDING the much more expensive Corvette, and it's various option packages. It's WAY quicker than a stock ZL1. I don't like that fact any more than you do, but it IS a fact.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

And I stand by that statement. The Hellcat is quicker than anything GM makes, INCLUDING the much more expensive Corvette, and it's various option packages. It's WAY quicker than a stock ZL1. I don't like that fact any more than you do, but it IS a fact.

The auto Kitty might be as quick as the manual only C6 Z06 and ZR1, but the Chevy's are faster. How does the manual Kitty stack up?

C6 Z06
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.6 @ 126mph, 3259lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 127.1mph, 3147lbs
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.8sec, 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124mph, 3180lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 122.3mph
Road&Track: 0-60 3.8sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 124mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.7sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125mph, 3198lbs
Road&Track:0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 123.7mph, 3350lbs

C6 ZR1
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 126.9mph
Road&Track: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 129mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.6sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 127mph
Edmunds: 0-60 3.6sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 126mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.6 @ 128mph
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.4 @ 128.8mph

Of course we are comparing 2014 Corvettes that I can drive today with a 2015 Challenger that isn't available yet.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

The auto Kitty might be as quick as the manual only C6 Z06 and ZR1, but the Chevy's are faster. How does the manual Kitty stack up?

C6 Z06
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.6 @ 126mph, 3259lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 127.1mph, 3147lbs
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.8sec, 1/4mile 11.9 @ 124mph, 3180lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 122.3mph
Road&Track: 0-60 3.8sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 124mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.7sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125mph, 3198lbs
Road&Track:0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 123.7mph, 3350lbs

C6 ZR1
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 126.9mph
Road&Track: 0-60 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 129mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.6sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 127mph
Edmunds: 0-60 3.6sec, 1/4mile 11.5 @ 126mph
Car&Driver: 0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.6 @ 128mph
MotorTrend: 0-60 3.4sec, 1/4mile 11.4 @ 128.8mph

Of course we are comparing 2014 Corvettes that I can drive today with a 2015 Challenger that isn't available yet.

And pre C7 Z06 which WILL be much faster.................and have more rear tire to deal with it.

[motorhead]

All the guys jumping on the Corvette bandwagon should be really upset because if it's faster than the hellcat, it's a lot faster than our Camaros. Curse you GM!

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by Number 3

And pre C7 Z06 which WILL be much faster.................and have more rear tire to deal with it.

Just wait Dave Perciak chief engineer of the Mustang said the Trinity [5.8L SC from GT500] WILL Fit in the new S550...Dodge will be standing there going but but but why are GM and Ford ahead again?????

They should have spent all that R&D time/Money on improving the SRT8 and R/T....imagine if they actually put some time into a new frame...GM and Ford get it....Just Dodge is running up thinking all a car needs is HP...when you make a competition killer with 707HP and you only put on 275 rears....I can't take that seriously.

[joeybsyc]

Hellcat will be faster than those old Corvette times. Already certified at 11.2. Amazing to think the big Challenger can beat those lightweight corvettes... The Camaros don't even stand a chance.

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

Hellcat will be faster than those old Corvette times. Already certified at 11.2. Amazing to think the big Challenger can beat those lightweight corvettes... The Camaros don't even stand a chance.

Dodge claimed 11.2.....but all reviews have been hard pressed to even come close.

Not even the SRT engineer with the car could snag 11.2

Then the excuses started coming in...
1. Well the track needs to be professionally prepped by NHRA
2. You need a very skilled drive
3. Only attainable with the automatic
4. Who knows what more excuses will come

This is what happens when you try and act better than everyone else and post "Hero" stats. You shoot yourself in the foot. You can blame the 275s or the temperature or the wind resistance but in the end of the day. How they deliver the car to you is what they claim can make 11.2. In reality i think it would come down to a driver's race. The 707 is being way over hyped...it can't even beat the GT500 in power to weight ratio. Like I said the 11.2 was a hero number and a bad move for Dodge.

PS just look at the price "59950!!! And you get 11.2 at the strip!!!!"

Not true. Mandatory destination charge 60750 then automatic 62750...they can't even be honest about the pricing...

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Dodge claimed 11.2.....but all reviews have been hard pressed to even come close.

Not even the SRT engineer with the car could snag 11.2

Then the excuses started coming in...
1. Well the track needs to be professionally prepped by NHRA
2. You need a very skilled drive
3. Only attainable with the automatic
4. Who knows what more excuses will come

This is what happens when you try and act better than everyone else and post "Hero" stats. You shoot yourself in the foot. You can blame the 275s or the temperature or the wind resistance but in the end of the day. How they deliver the car to you is what they claim can make 11.2. In reality i think it would come down to a driver's race. The 707 is being way over hyped...it can't even beat the GT500 in power to weight ratio. Like I said the 11.2 was a hero number and a bad move for Dodge.

PS just look at the price "59950!!! And you get 11.2 at the strip!!!!"

Not true. Mandatory destination charge 60750 then automatic 62750...they can't even be honest about the pricing...

Can come close? There has been three different reviews of them running 11.4. That's pretty damn close to 11.2. I guess you forget too that GM pulled the same crap you're claiming about Dodge with the ZL1. We're slower currently. I know the truth hurts some times.

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Can come close? There has been three different reviews of them running 11.4. That's pretty damn close to 11.2. I guess you forget too that GM pulled the same crap you're claiming about Dodge with the ZL1. We're slower currently. I know the truth hurts some times.

I don't follow the ZL1 I'm mainly a Mustang guy so no I'm not use to it. If you claim .2 is close then ill claim you should trade in and buy a prius because .2 is an Eternity in racing...strip or track...that's pretty basic track 101. There's no reason to come at me hard when I'm pointing out common sense.

It's like if i sold you a Rifle and told you it would hit a quarter at 300 meters every shot..then you buy it and discover well....only on a certified range on a certified rifle stand with a certified instructor...

[joeybsyc]

So many excuses, so much denial...I'm a chevy fan too but it's time to quit making excuses for them. I hope GM gets on the ball and soon. The Hellcat is for real, and it's not just a little bit quicker than a ZL1, it's a LOT quicker. It's quicker than even the top level Corvette too, and cheaper than either one. End of story.

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by joeybsyc

So many excuses, so much denial...I'm a chevy fan too but it's time to quit making excuses for them. I hope GM gets on the ball and soon. The Hellcat is for real, and it's not just a little bit quicker than a ZL1, it's a LOT quicker. It's quicker than even the top level Corvette too, and cheaper than either one. End of story.

In a straight line...is that all we judge cars off nowadays?

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I don't follow the ZL1 I'm mainly a Mustang guy so no I'm not use to it. If you claim .2 is close then ill claim you should trade in and buy a prius because .2 is an Eternity in racing...strip or track...that's pretty basic track 101. There's no reason to come at me hard when I'm pointing out common sense.

It's like if i sold you a Rifle and told you it would hit a quarter at 300 meters every shot..then you buy it and discover well....only on a certified range on a certified rifle stand with a certified instructor...

I don't see how my post was an attack on you. It simply states the fact the GM played the same games when the ZL1 came out and the time differences were more than .2. And in the sceam of things for a street car .2 isn't that much of a difference. What I'm getting at is that everyone is crying over .2 when the hellcat is still almost a second faster than the ZL1 even at 11.4. Just look at the ZL1 stock fast list on this site, compare the ZL1 test times from all the magazinessential and take the average. Math don't lie. Why would you care anyway if your a mustang guy? It looks like ford is bringing out a 750hp monster soon.