[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

If the Camaro's dominance being possibly at an end is a sign of failure, then how can the Mustang taking this long to be competitive not a failure?

You LOVE talking about how one specific configuration of the Mustang GT is 'a lot' faster than any Camaro SS. Why is a lack of a competitive manual GT not a failure? Oops, I forgot we don't dare acknowledge the existence of the Manual GT due to its utterly embarrassing performance numbers.

You wear rose colored glasses when looking at the Mustang, and wonder why you're never in agreement with people on a Camaro forum. If the GT350 was really that good, worth the $, I am pretty sure you would have traded the Boss for one and wouldn't keep talking about what magazines think about it.

Good enough to praise, but not good enough to buy....got it.

Should we compare the manual numbers for the present ZL1 (and ignore the A10) to the last 13/14 GT500 as well? If so the present ZL1 is a failure as the last GT500 is faster. You compare the fastest version of the car, which is the A8 and A10.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Should we compare the manual numbers for the present ZL1 (and ignore the A10) to the last 13/14 GT500 as well? If so the present ZL1 is a failure as the last GT500 is faster. You compare the fastest version of the car, which is the A8 and A10.

The Only thing the 13/14 gt500 would win is on the drag strip. Everything else, the ZL1 is superior. And if you read many gt500 owners, they will tell you the car is a handful to handle. you don't hear that from ZL1 owners.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Should we compare the manual numbers for the present ZL1 (and ignore the A10) to the last 13/14 GT500 as well? If so the present ZL1 is a failure as the last GT500 is faster. You compare the fastest version of the car, which is the A8 and A10.

LOL....enjoy that magazine racing man.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Should we compare the manual numbers for the present ZL1 (and ignore the A10) to the last 13/14 GT500 as well? If so the present ZL1 is a failure as the last GT500 is faster. You compare the fastest version of the car, which is the A8 and A10.

Did Chevy gimp the zl1 manual launch? YES they did, no argument from me on that. I live it every day.

My neighbor has a 14 GT500 and we mess around all the time.
In the street on street tires I take him all day long from the dig. Why? because he cant hook up at all, while I'm bogging he's spinning his tires, I always hook up quicker and he cant catch me. On a drag strip he might take me. Roll races with him its who get the hit first.

[rocket403]

All this talk about the Camaro and Mustang and what is better what the sales show us, what I see is that no matter what the profit margins are on both cars the sales are down across the board for both of these cars. I can't imagine that GM is happy with the position they find themselves in being at the bottom of the muscle car segment, after putting all this R&D into this platform and it looks like the sales will not be better next year. The same for the Mustang it is leading the Sales race but is down huge from past sales numbers. Both of these cars are being shown that a 10 year old platform that long ago paid for itself with minor tweaks can sell and sell well, Ford and GM are being schooled by Dodge, on what maters to the general public, and they are not afraid to market the car with an in your face attitude. The fastest car on a track with the best handling is the lowest seller funny guess that means not much.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Lol at the fastest gt being "a lot" faster than the fastest SS. One tenth or so faster in a specific equipment package automatic is only marginally faster at best.

And correct me if I'm wrong but are any stock a10 gt's on the mustang 6 fast list running appreciably faster or faster at all than the fastest stock a8's on the Camaro 6 fast list?

A lot faster would be more like how much faster the manual SS is than the manual gt, and it does it without snapping shift forks.

[revs2ninegrand]

Originally Posted by rocket403

All this talk about the Camaro and Mustang and what is better what the sales show us, what I see is that no matter what the profit margins are on both cars the sales are down across the board for both of these cars. I can't imagine that GM is happy with the position they find themselves in being at the bottom of the muscle car segment, after putting all this R&D into this platform and it looks like the sales will not be better next year. The same for the Mustang it is leading the Sales race but is down huge from past sales numbers. Both of these cars are being shown that a 10 year old platform that long ago paid for itself with minor tweaks can sell and sell well, Ford and GM are being schooled by Dodge, on what maters to the general public, and they are not afraid to market the car with an in your face attitude. The fastest car on a track with the best handling is the lowest seller funny guess that means not much.

I agree fully with the marketing or lack there of for both the Mustang and the Camaro. IMO Dodge is definitely being more aggressive and I think they have that to their advantage.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Lol at the fastest gt being "a lot" faster than the fastest SS. One tenth or so faster in a specific equipment package automatic is only marginally faster at best.

And correct me if I'm wrong but are any stock a10 gt's on the mustang 6 fast list running appreciably faster or faster at all than the fastest stock a8's on the Camaro 6 fast list?

A lot faster would be more like how much faster the manual SS is than the manual gt, and it does it without snapping shift forks.

The reviewed number for the GT is 11:80s, please find me a reviewed time for the SS within 3-tenths of this time, I'll be waiting. And no I don't care about hero times posted by members where we don't know if the car was 100% stock or not.

[rocket403]

Not sure who said it but I do agree with the person that said it "GM has been targeting the beta males with their marketing" and I guess Dodge is going for the jugular with theirs they are not sorry for making a big fast muscle car Ford and GM should learn form this.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I would not be surprised to see LT5 in a Camaro, but I wouldn’t expect it in Gen 6. It’s okay for Camaro to share an engine with Z06. Not so much ZR1. When ZR1 finishes its run, LT5 becomes a “free agent” and can land in a number of places. A Cadillac? Like CT5-V? Or Escalade-V? Or a Cadillac sports car? Definitely a Camaro. But ZR1 has to be dormant for that to happen. We’re talking 2021-22. And that would be likely timing for CA7.

I would hope they would drop it in sooner. Numbers seam to help sell cars. 650 is borderline supercar numbers. 750 is supercar numbers.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The reviewed number for the GT is 11:80s, please find me a reviewed time for the SS within 3-tenths of this time, I'll be waiting. And no I don't care about hero times posted by members where we don't know if the car was 100% stock or not.

Cool story.. Car and Driver and MT both ran 12.1 with the 2018 Mustang GT auto.

From my understanding, Hot Rod didn't take a Camaro SS to the strip along with the Mustang or test it in same location.

May as well look at times posted on the forums by members.

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The reviewed number for the GT is 11:80s, please find me a reviewed time for the SS within 3-tenths of this time, I'll be waiting. And no I don't care about hero times posted by members where we don't know if the car was 100% stock or not.

I'm not particularly wound up on this topic, but had a spare moment to look, and I found a stock 2016 SS that did 11.99: https://www.epicspeed.net/stock-2016...14-mile-11-99/

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Cool story.. Car and Driver and MT both ran 12.1 with the 2018 Mustang GT auto.

From my understanding, Hot Rod didn't take a Camaro SS to the strip along with the Mustang or test it in same location.

May as well look at times posted on the forums by members.

In the Car and Driver test the GT A10 trapped 120 mph and did 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. Anyway, it's been documented many times that the A10 GT can get into the upper 11s fully stock. Upper 11s in the A10 GT is not some one time wonder.

I'm still blown away at how fast both cars (SS and GT) have become. 20 years ago the trap speeds and times the GT A10 is putting out were supercar and Viper GTS territory. Crazy. Good times to be a pony car owner.

[BlaqWhole]

Things just got very interesting. It looks like GM added the A10 trans as an available option on the ZLE!!!

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...L3SFBXVATu8IUM

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/20...3SVu-bJSdeLn7Y