School me on Remote Tunning

jwaked · 11-28-2019, 11:33 AM

As I have mentioned a few times, in my days there was no remote tunning, (20 years ago) so I am lost, totally lost. 2018 Camaro SS M6 just installed 2" Long Tubes TSP, X Pipe no cats, Borla Atak Axle Back, and Rotofab. The more I read the more confused I get.

Besides the Tuner, what do I need? I keep reading about HP tuner or SCT or BDX, some say gauge, credits, etc. Crap it used to be way simpler.

Please think of me as your 4 year old so be patient.

Thanks
Jay

Trochoidal · 11-28-2019, 11:39 AM

Happy Thanksgiving!

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525621

jwaked · 11-28-2019, 12:05 PM

Thanks man but there are things that do not apply from the link.

1. No Dyno
2. Credits?
3. Gague needed?

Thanks
Jay

Mark114 · 11-28-2019, 02:17 PM

I suggest that you focus on selecting your remote tuner first. There are a number of highly recommended tuners on the forum. Once you have selected a tuner they should be able to explain options, trade-offs, and answer all your questions.

Booher · 11-28-2019, 03:39 PM

Generally most people use hptuners, if you go with that, $300 for that I think. Then you need credits, being a manual, you will probably need 5, depending on who you go with, some people only need 4, they are $50 each unless you can get a discount.You also need to buy a wideband gauge setup that is compatible,if you stay with hptuners the aem x series works with it, around $300. Then you need to find someone to tune and pay for their services which vary. Then an extra charge for e85 tune which varies as well. I think I paid somewhere in the ballpark of $1200 give or take a few. You may be able to get it a little cheaper depending on who you go with, that was just my experience

Trochoidal · 11-28-2019, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwaked

Thanks man but there are things that do not apply from the link.

1. No Dyno
2. Credits?
3. Gague needed?

Thanks
Jay

I’ll add to what Booher said with an AEM wide band O2 sensor with gauge. 30-0334 plugs into OBDII port and has pass through that HP Tuners module can plug into so you don’t have to purchase Pro version of HP Tuners. (Comes with O2 bung to weld into collector) $226.09

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-0334/

jwaked · 11-28-2019, 07:43 PM

Thanks guys, Booher got it easy to understand, thanks.

Ted at Jannetty has the package with the AEM X Series gauge, is that the one you mean Trochoidal? because does not mention needing the pro version.

jwaked · 11-28-2019, 09:53 PM

Is the pro version needed ?

Trochoidal · 11-28-2019, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwaked

Thanks guys, Booher got it easy to understand, thanks.

Ted at Jannetty has the package with the AEM X Series gauge, is that the one you mean Trochoidal? because does not mention needing the pro version.

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwaked

Is the pro version needed ?

The pro version gives the ability for an analog wide band input. The gauge and sensor I posted uses your OBDII instead of analog. You can see the Pass through connection in the link below.

https://www.aemelectronics.com/artic...lashscan-v2-hp

squish72 · 11-28-2019, 11:23 PM

please check out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_...JqJOiGoCRT5SCw

there is a lot of info about learning how to not only do the things youll need to do for remote tuning but also teaching how to do it yourself.

I did a remote tune and after learning how to do things myself, i found my remote tune was far far from perfect. Not saying getting a remote tune is not worth it, it got me in the right ballpark. I did multiple revisions with the tuner so it was decent. You can dedicate way more time in perfecting it yourself then a remote tuner will be able to do for a given dollar amount.

At the very least use them to get yourself familiar with the ecm and hptuners software

OVRKLL · 12-02-2019, 08:10 PM

LOL!
I totally feel your pain and I'm going through it now too!

Check out this link too...I found it helpful, as well as Goat Garage.
HPTuner

OVRKLL · 12-02-2019, 08:12 PM

I have a question for those that know about HPTuner stuff.

If a Tuner locks your ECM, can he or myself unlock it?
And what exactly does that mean...no other tuner can tune your car?

JCunningham · 12-03-2019, 02:31 AM

who ever has the device that locked it can unlock it. Dont lock it or allow your tuner to lock it. Ask
you will need a HP Tuner. Dont bother with other platforms. HP Tuners is the best for GM. Get a MPVI2 with 4 credits if manual 6 if auto. $299 + $50 per credit. You do not need the pro version. you can buy 1 credit for the fuel control module but unless you going to be big power, modding the fuel system or its worth it to you to change your NPP settings its unneeded. Autos need the transmission control module sent to HP to be unlocked. $199
you will also need a wide band o2 set up that will work with HP Tuners. needs a serial port out. The AEM 30-0334 with obd2 is suggested by most and is easiest.
You can do all that or get a dyno tune that will be better or just as good for around the same price and you wont have to worry about going to jail doing data logs. Actually a proper track tune is the best tune. but most remote tuners wont send the time and you will need to use a racetrack to do it safely. If you go with a dyno tune make sure it is a load bearing dyno. A Lot of hacks use cheap non load bearing dynos that cant tune for drivability. Many remote tuners dont use widebands and will not spend the time it takes to do a proper tune. If labor is cheap they are probably in this category.

OVRKLL · 12-03-2019, 09:18 PM

Thank you JCunningham!

The shop I took my car to is doing the tuning, I purchased 3 credits, but as you mentioned as well as Tigerss and the HPTuner website, I need 4.

I did mention that to him yesterday. I presume the shop has the MPV12 unit as he did not give that to me...unless he will when he is done...

I asked him about the wideband, and he said yes, you must tune with wideband, so I think it's safe to say that is what he is going to do.

He also mentioned he is going to do a street tune...and I asked if that meant he was going to tune it while driving on the road, he said yes, since that's where the car lives most of the time.

He is not doing a dyno or a track tune.

I need to ask him NOT to lock the ECM, should I decide to do my own tuning later.

I've been watching Goat Garage and it's pretty informative, as well as Tuning School...slowly learning some things.

Now this may be a lame question, but I see on the tuners (Goat Garage) computer what looks like a dashboard of sort with all the parameters PIDs etc. on a screen. And he can simulate driving speeds/rpms by moving a bar.

How do you get that dashboard?

Does it pop up when you plug in to the MPV12 unit or do you need to register with HPTuner?

Again sorry for the newbie question, but this is all new to me.

11-28-2019, 11:33 AM	#1
jwaked Drives: 11 Corvette ZR1 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Panama Posts: 101	School me on Remote Tunning As I have mentioned a few times, in my days there was no remote tunning, (20 years ago) so I am lost, totally lost. 2018 Camaro SS M6 just installed 2" Long Tubes TSP, X Pipe no cats, Borla Atak Axle Back, and Rotofab. The more I read the more confused I get. Besides the Tuner, what do I need? I keep reading about HP tuner or SCT or BDX, some say gauge, credits, etc. Crap it used to be way simpler. Please think of me as your 4 year old so be patient. Thanks Jay __________________ 11 Corvette ZR1 18 Lexus GX460 19 Yamaha FX Cruiser SVHO

11-28-2019, 11:39 AM	#2
Trochoidal Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: May 2019 Location: USA Posts: 1,656	Happy Thanksgiving! https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525621 __________________ Roto-Fab w/sound tube delete, Katech ported TB, Pray IM, Velossa, DD side markers, DSX FF, UPR Catch can, Halo brace, My custom vent gauge pod Originally Posted by arpad_m - “Aww, yet another oil thread with almost the same question in the OP“

11-28-2019, 12:05 PM	#3
jwaked Drives: 11 Corvette ZR1 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Panama Posts: 101	Thanks man but there are things that do not apply from the link. 1. No Dyno 2. Credits? 3. Gague needed? Thanks Jay __________________ 11 Corvette ZR1 18 Lexus GX460 19 Yamaha FX Cruiser SVHO

11-28-2019, 07:43 PM	#7
jwaked Drives: 11 Corvette ZR1 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Panama Posts: 101	Thanks guys, Booher got it easy to understand, thanks. Ted at Jannetty has the package with the AEM X Series gauge, is that the one you mean Trochoidal? because does not mention needing the pro version. __________________ 11 Corvette ZR1 18 Lexus GX460 19 Yamaha FX Cruiser SVHO

11-28-2019, 09:53 PM	#8
jwaked Drives: 11 Corvette ZR1 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Panama Posts: 101	Is the pro version needed ? __________________ 11 Corvette ZR1 18 Lexus GX460 19 Yamaha FX Cruiser SVHO

11-28-2019, 02:17 PM	#4
Mark114 Drives: 2016 2SS Convertible Join Date: May 2012 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,710 View My Garage	I suggest that you focus on selecting your remote tuner first. There are a number of highly recommended tuners on the forum. Once you have selected a tuner they should be able to explain options, trade-offs, and answer all your questions.

11-28-2019, 03:39 PM	#5
Booher Drives: 2019 zl1 6 speed Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Lake Havasu Arizona Posts: 979	Generally most people use hptuners, if you go with that, $300 for that I think. Then you need credits, being a manual, you will probably need 5, depending on who you go with, some people only need 4, they are $50 each unless you can get a discount.You also need to buy a wideband gauge setup that is compatible,if you stay with hptuners the aem x series works with it, around $300. Then you need to find someone to tune and pay for their services which vary. Then an extra charge for e85 tune which varies as well. I think I paid somewhere in the ballpark of $1200 give or take a few. You may be able to get it a little cheaper depending on who you go with, that was just my experience

11-28-2019, 11:23 PM	#10
squish72 Drives: 2016 2SS 8AT Join Date: May 2018 Location: Nevada Posts: 358	please check out https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP_...JqJOiGoCRT5SCw there is a lot of info about learning how to not only do the things youll need to do for remote tuning but also teaching how to do it yourself. I did a remote tune and after learning how to do things myself, i found my remote tune was far far from perfect. Not saying getting a remote tune is not worth it, it got me in the right ballpark. I did multiple revisions with the tuner so it was decent. You can dedicate way more time in perfecting it yourself then a remote tuner will be able to do for a given dollar amount. At the very least use them to get yourself familiar with the ecm and hptuners software

12-02-2019, 08:10 PM	#11
OVRKLL Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE...makes me go YeeeHaw! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 577	LOL! I totally feel your pain and I'm going through it now too! Check out this link too...I found it helpful, as well as Goat Garage. HPTuner __________________ The Thrill isn't around the corner, the Thrill is the corner! So don't hesitate, just brake late!

12-02-2019, 08:12 PM	#12
OVRKLL Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE...makes me go YeeeHaw! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 577	I have a question for those that know about HPTuner stuff. If a Tuner locks your ECM, can he or myself unlock it? And what exactly does that mean...no other tuner can tune your car? __________________ The Thrill isn't around the corner, the Thrill is the corner! So don't hesitate, just brake late!

12-03-2019, 02:31 AM	#13
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,070	who ever has the device that locked it can unlock it. Dont lock it or allow your tuner to lock it. Ask you will need a HP Tuner. Dont bother with other platforms. HP Tuners is the best for GM. Get a MPVI2 with 4 credits if manual 6 if auto. $299 + $50 per credit. You do not need the pro version. you can buy 1 credit for the fuel control module but unless you going to be big power, modding the fuel system or its worth it to you to change your NPP settings its unneeded. Autos need the transmission control module sent to HP to be unlocked. $199 you will also need a wide band o2 set up that will work with HP Tuners. needs a serial port out. The AEM 30-0334 with obd2 is suggested by most and is easiest. You can do all that or get a dyno tune that will be better or just as good for around the same price and you wont have to worry about going to jail doing data logs. Actually a proper track tune is the best tune. but most remote tuners wont send the time and you will need to use a racetrack to do it safely. If you go with a dyno tune make sure it is a load bearing dyno. A Lot of hacks use cheap non load bearing dynos that cant tune for drivability. Many remote tuners dont use widebands and will not spend the time it takes to do a proper tune. If labor is cheap they are probably in this category. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1 Last edited by JCunningham; 12-03-2019 at 02:43 AM.

12-03-2019, 09:18 PM	#14
OVRKLL Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE...makes me go YeeeHaw! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 577	Thank you JCunningham! The shop I took my car to is doing the tuning, I purchased 3 credits, but as you mentioned as well as Tigerss and the HPTuner website, I need 4. I did mention that to him yesterday. I presume the shop has the MPV12 unit as he did not give that to me...unless he will when he is done... I asked him about the wideband, and he said yes, you must tune with wideband, so I think it's safe to say that is what he is going to do. He also mentioned he is going to do a street tune...and I asked if that meant he was going to tune it while driving on the road, he said yes, since that's where the car lives most of the time. He is not doing a dyno or a track tune. I need to ask him NOT to lock the ECM, should I decide to do my own tuning later. I've been watching Goat Garage and it's pretty informative, as well as Tuning School...slowly learning some things. Now this may be a lame question, but I see on the tuners (Goat Garage) computer what looks like a dashboard of sort with all the parameters PIDs etc. on a screen. And he can simulate driving speeds/rpms by moving a bar. How do you get that dashboard? Does it pop up when you plug in to the MPV12 unit or do you need to register with HPTuner? Again sorry for the newbie question, but this is all new to me. __________________ The Thrill isn't around the corner, the Thrill is the corner! So don't hesitate, just brake late!

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