[PinHead]

Originally Posted by ron scubadiver

It's law enforcement which is most interested in the on board recorded data. It isn't possible to accurately calculate vehicle speed from skid marks when anti lock brakes are used.

Not correct; GM/Onstar is actively SELLING/DISTRIBUTING this data without restrictions, (with Insurance Companies being the largest consumer).


Please validate your claim about the inability to calculate veh speed due to ABS usage (as that is not totally correct).

[PinHead]

The Selling of Onstar data has been around circa 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...cy-policy.html

"We may share or sell anonymized data (including location, speed, and safety belt usage) with third parties for any purpose, which may prove useful for such things as research relating to public safety or traffic services," the privacy statement said.

And according to the new Onstar policy, data will continue to be collected from a vehicle even if the owner no longer pays for an OnStar subscription. Car owners can stop the data gathering only by deactivating the device's data connection.

The new terms and conditions state whether enrolled or not, "OnStar will maintain the two-way connection to your Vehicle...for an indefinite period of time to be determined by OnStar at our sole discretion."

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by PinHead

Not correct; GM/Onstar is actively SELLING/DISTRIBUTING this data without restrictions, (with Insurance Companies being the largest consumer).


Please validate your claim about the inability to calculate veh speed due to ABS usage (as that is not totally correct).

I think you should validate your claim above. There are indeed restrictions, listed in Onstar's Privacy Statement.

Originally Posted by PinHead

The Selling of Onstar data has been around circa 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...cy-policy.html

You should also cite something more recent than 2011. I do not see that wording listed in the current Onstar Privacy Statement.

[PinHead]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

I think you should validate your claim above. There are indeed restrictions, listed in Onstar's Privacy Statement.



You should also cite something more recent than 2011. I do not see that wording listed in the current Onstar Privacy Statement.

Try reading it with your glasses.

Its right from the Onstar Privacy webpage;
https://www.onstar.com/us/en/footer-...cy-policy.html

Collection


We may collect information about you and your vehicle, such as name, address, vehicle diagnostics, and vehicle location, through your use of our products or services, and through dealers and others who provide information to us. See below to learn more.


Use

We may use your information to improve the quality, safety, and security of our products and services, to develop new products and services, and for marketing. See below to learn more.


Sharing


We may share your information to provide you with products and services, to improve the quality, safety, and security of products and services, to comply with applicable law, to respond to your requests, and to allow recipients to use for marketing or other purposes subject to your consent where required.

Is that clear and convincing enough for ya?

You consented when you use the OnStar OR THE VEHICLE, (in the case of a used car).

Remember; our laws have not kept up with the advances in electronic data collection.

Furthermore; People today are being condition to automatically give up their right to privacy. Once your info is out there you cannot retract it and anyone can use it for any purpose, nefarious or otherwise.

Caveat Emptor

[bobby35ny]

"And according to the new policy, data will continue to be collected from a vehicle even if the owner no longer pays for an OnStar subscription. Car owners can stop the data gathering only by deactivating the device's data connection"

How can we deactivate the data connection?

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by PinHead

Try reading it with your glasses.

Its right from the Onstar Privacy webpage;
https://www.onstar.com/us/en/footer-...cy-policy.html



Is that clear and convincing enough for ya?

You consented when you use the OnStar OR THE VEHICLE, (in the case of a used car).

My eyes are just fine, thank you. I understand what it says, and choose not to read into it nearly as much as you, apparently. In any case, I specifically referred to your comment in post #85 and you chose to ignore it. And from your post #86, that wording has changed. Instead of quoting the generic headings for each topic, you should try reading the details sections.

Feel free to be paranoid about being watched, but I think you trying to convince this guy that his car warranty was voided due to Onstar tracking him is taking it too far.

In any case, this will be my last post on this subject. Nobody has to buy a GM Onstar-equipped vehicle, it is a choice. I've seen this topic many times on many GM forums. Your mind will obviously not be changed and I'm not interested in arguing in circles, and there are many out there that share your mindset on it.

[PinHead]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

My eyes are just fine, thank you. I understand what it says, and choose not to read into it nearly as much as you,

Thanks for the reply. I respect your opinion.

People today are not educated in American History. They really need to read and review about how our Constitution was framed and WHY these protections were enacted and afforded to its citizens.

IMHO, willingly giving up these U.S. Constitutional protections is equal to living in a Communist or Socialist surveillance state and is against American values.

I have worked and lived in foreign countries in support of the U.S. and, like most of us, have learned the hard way. Americans today take a lot for granted and don't realize what they have, and what they stand to lose that previous generations have fought so hard to protect.

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by PinHead

I have worked and lived in foreign countries in support of the U.S. and, like most of us, have learned the hard way. Americans today take a lot for granted and don't realize what they have, and what they stand to lose that previous generations have fought so hard to protect.

Thanks for your service!

I'm currently typing this from Afghanistan, and understand what it means to fight to protect our freedoms.

[DWillys]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

"And according to the new policy, data will continue to be collected from a vehicle even if the owner no longer pays for an OnStar subscription. Car owners can stop the data gathering only by deactivating the device's data connection"

How can we deactivate the data connection?

I have no idea if this is correct or if it will work:
http://www.wikihow.com/Deactivate-Onstar

[PinHead]

Originally Posted by TheElementalCashew

Thanks for your service!

I'm currently typing this from Afghanistan, and understand what it means to fight to protect our freedoms.

YOUR VERY WELCOME....(remember unless your encrypted(SIPRnet) this post is being Monitored by all SIDES).........

Be safe out there and hope to see you and your fellow teams back home soon my brother, (if you need any fresh fruit or care packages drop me a PM). Every year about Sept/Oct I'll send a fresh Xmas Tree out to the guys/gals OCONUS.

That's the great thing about 'Merica. Its Citizens can debate and banter back and forth freely without repression AND WILL ALWAYS STAND UNITED.

Btw, that's the origin of my Screen Name. I got busted up OCONUS TWICE and now have to get repeated series of injections from the top of my head to my L-Spine to keep me going until the end. My choice for a Screen Name came down to either using Pinhead or Humpty Dumpty. On the Up-Side I really get to have fun causing havoc with the TSA with all the metal in me.

[Tr6]

Originally Posted by Infern0

So at the same time are we agreeing that the "red flag" is a real thing?

If so, what do we know about that? How are the conditions for this typically met and identified? Can you just show up to service one day and have a red flag already there?

The "red flag" is a real thing but it doesn't get "added" to your car out of the blue. From what I know, it happens during or after a visit to the dealership for warranty work. A few conditions for this, mods being #1 reason which is also known as manufacturer completely voiding out the warranty (max stage that is) as they have proven the fact that your vehicle is modded. Adding a SC to LT1 completely voids out any engine warranty and could also void out suspension warranty (extra wear and tear on rears just as an example) but SC won't void the warranty on the roof liner sagging.

Minus mods, ECM data can be a reason for it as well. Rev limiter kicking in, how many times? Missed shifts, RPM timings and rates, etc... Basically answering the question of "was this vehicle abused?".

What I began to think of as a possibility is... OP tracking the car without doing the brake-in process and immediately tracking vehicle which could technically give GM the right to deny any warranty claim and red flag the car. "Issue was caused due to customer not following break-in process". Keep in mind, I am only speculating... I am not a part of GM to know.

[BMWM.D.]

Originally Posted by Tr6

What I began to think of as a possibility is... OP tracking the car without doing the brake-in process and immediately tracking vehicle which could technically give GM the right to deny any warranty claim and red flag the car. "Issue was caused due to customer not following break-in process". Keep in mind, I am only speculating... I am not a part of GM to know.

That would actually make sense. Scary that OnStar would be supplying GM with this data, but I guess anything is possible.

On the other hand, voiding your powertrain warranty for "hitting the rev limiter" or other hard driving is pretty doubtful. Those safeties (limiters, torque management, temperature protection, etc.) are there for a reason. Now, a money shift that bends a bunch of valves? That's on you, but it still shouldn't void a warranty.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by BMWM.D.

That would actually make sense. Scary that OnStar would be supplying GM with this data, but I guess anything is possible.

On the other hand, voiding your powertrain warranty for "hitting the rev limiter" or other hard driving is pretty doubtful. Those safeties (limiters, torque management, temperature protection, etc.) are there for a reason. Now, a money shift that bends a bunch of valves? That's on you, but it still shouldn't void a warranty.

If the break-in says no revs above 4000 and you bump the rev limiter, you violated the break-in. If you only did it once would that be enough, who knows but legally they probably have you.

[Tr6]

Originally Posted by BMWM.D.

That would actually make sense. Scary that OnStar would be supplying GM with this data, but I guess anything is possible.

On the other hand, voiding your powertrain warranty for "hitting the rev limiter" or other hard driving is pretty doubtful. Those safeties (limiters, torque management, temperature protection, etc.) are there for a reason. Now, a money shift that bends a bunch of valves? That's on you, but it still shouldn't void a warranty.

It is just the way break-in process says, like Sven59 said. Gotta keep shifting and not driving on a set RPM (aka, no highway cruising on 6th/10th gear @ 70 mph) for long period of times and there is the no revs nor pulls above 4k rpm. I got the car delivered in Dallas and drove 500+ miles back home. I literally kept going from 4-5-6 constantly and getting off i35 every 50 miles or so to either stop or get off then get right back on just to keep the RPMs and gears all over the place. Also never revved above 3500. Now after 1500 miles, it was all fair game . First thing I did was 1-2-3 pulls from a roll in Mexico haha.

Originally Posted by Sven59

If the break-in says no revs above 4000 and you bump the rev limiter, you violated the break-in. If you only did it once would that be enough, who knows but legally they probably have you.

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