[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SDG23

^^ But Chevy has stepped backwards in the looks department, which is nothing short of VITAL to sales and continued interest. They have a great platform with the 6th Gen Camaro and they've proven to us that they can make a car that is both fast and handles like it's on rails. HOWEVER, ugly is what it is, and it's sad to see them take a great performing car and make it an eye sore. Some of you need to accept that there are those of us who simply don't like the 2019 "refresh" even a little. The '16-18 models were aggressive looking, much moreso than 5th Gens, but now they've taken that aggressive look away and what's left is something truly baffling.

Everyone needs to accept that everyone else has an opinion.

I find the new refresh to look more aggressive than what it replaces. Is it better? It's very different.

Some think it's ugly...some love it. Once everyone sees it in person, half of the people who think it's ugly won't anymore. This is the story as it's been repeated every generation, and every refresh......

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Everyone needs to accept that everyone else has an opinion.

I find the new refresh to look more aggressive than what it replaces. Is it better? It's very different.

Some think it's ugly...some love it. Once everyone sees it in person, half of the people who think it's ugly won't anymore. This is the story as it's been repeated every generation, and every refresh......

I've around since 2009. Ive never seen so many no liking this car as the 2019. Sure the refresh of the Gen5 caused some waives ,but nothing like this. I have yet to talk to anyone outside of this site that likes this car. I know there are some here that like it ,and im glad. I hope they sell the shit out of them. I want this car around for years to come. I respect everyone's opinion. None of us are right and none of us are wrong.
Have a great weekend everyone!!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I've around since 2009. Ive never seen so many no liking this car as the 2019.

Same here, 2007 (yikes!!) and I agree the response is widespread. Except...the reactions were similar when the 2010 SS fascia was leaked in 08.

Originally Posted by motorhead

I respect everyone's opinion. None of us are right and none of us are wrong. Have a great weekend everyone!!

Also agreed 100%!

[yankee]

It’s not about right and wrong, but making enough waves that GM can hear us. I’m sure they know already the majority’s opinion on this refresh. So they can fix the next one. Having thousands of complains all around social media is good

[cskipgo]

I think a part of the issue here is that social media and forums are increasing in usage and society is growing more bold in voicing their opinions. The boundary of what people can and will say is no longer restricted to truths. Opinions get exaggerated and over emphasized and many are losing the clear line that divides fact and opinion. This was not as much an issue with previous changes as technology did not have as large a forum to allow voice.

Any change is going to have opposition. Often the strongest voices are from opposition NOT supporters.

There have been many voices questioning Chevy and their decisions. Ultimately they are a corporation that exists to make money, and that is where their loyalty exists. I don't understand the need to compare sales to Dodge or Mustang. I don't think the Camaro "target" is winning the sales "quantity" race, it is profit for Chevy.

[mjross]

My 2017 2SS is one amazing machine. I traded my 2013 ZL1 for it and I tend to drive it more than my C7 Vette. When I drove the 17 I remember saying “Chevy really got this right this time”. However, the new refresh just does not do it for me. Not that that really means anything or makes a difference. I just hope like hell they look better in person.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by yankee

It’s not about right and wrong, but making enough waves that GM can hear us. I’m sure they know already the majority’s opinion on this refresh. So they can fix the next one. Having thousands of complains all around social media is good

They heard all the complaints when the Gen 6 came out , there was and still is a lot of people who don"t like it . GM don't care if you like the new design or not any more then they cared about people not being able to see out of it . No one knows for sure how well the refresh will sell,the majority is not always right .

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by cskipgo

I think a part of the issue here is that social media and forums are increasing in usage and society is growing more bold in voicing their opinions. The boundary of what people can and will say is no longer restricted to truths. Opinions get exaggerated and over emphasized and many are losing the clear line that divides fact and opinion. This was not as much an issue with previous changes as technology did not have as large a forum to allow voice.

Any change is going to have opposition. Often the strongest voices are from opposition NOT supporters.

There have been many voices questioning Chevy and their decisions. Ultimately they are a corporation that exists to make money, and that is where their loyalty exists. I don't understand the need to compare sales to Dodge or Mustang. I don't think the Camaro "target" is winning the sales "quantity" race, it is profit for Chevy.

It's a good thing the internet wasn't around when the 3rd generation first came out , i seen grown men cry back then . I do agree with you 100%, and Chevy won't allow the internet crowd refresh haters to run there corporation either.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by cskipgo

I think a part of the issue here is that social media and forums are increasing in usage and society is growing more bold in voicing their opinions. The boundary of what people can and will say is no longer restricted to truths. Opinions get exaggerated and over emphasized and many are losing the clear line that divides fact and opinion. This was not as much an issue with previous changes as technology did not have as large a forum to allow voice.

Any change is going to have opposition. Often the strongest voices are from opposition NOT supporters.

There have been many voices questioning Chevy and their decisions. Ultimately they are a corporation that exists to make money, and that is where their loyalty exists. I don't understand the need to compare sales to Dodge or Mustang. I don't think the Camaro "target" is winning the sales "quantity" race, it is profit for Chevy.

Who cares. Only sheep and followers and non free thinkers buy into the social media effect. I'm on the other side. I rarely, if at any time, believe anything I see online so. I don't buy into what you trying to sell.



As far as Chevy goes. They gonna do what they do regardless of what goes on in here or on social media. It's about $ first. Not about what is being said and where. I won't lie tho, their commercials............wow. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to death.

[Gunkk]

Chevy's advertising behavior tells me two things about their ad spend strategy:

1. They don't need to advertise the Camaro. It's profitable enough for the competition/market that it's in. And for their ad dollar, they don't perceive an improved bang/buck benefit by throwing more (any?) ad dollars at Camaro. It sells itself well enough for Chevy.

2. They do need to advertise their SUVs and sedans, where they need more attention on the brand to highlight their points of difference vs. competition and create demand where SUV's are a dime a dozen and sedans are dieing on the vine.

The old SWOT analysis. Camaro is strong. Sedans are weak. SUV options are a $/feature opportunity. And the entire world is a threat.

[yankee]

Do ads work anymore in this century? It’s not like you don’t or can’t inform yourself on their website, forums and so on. Clearly an ad doesn’t get thru me until I see a product by myself, read about it, inform myself and see real facts. Does anyone buy a car because they saw it on TV anymore?

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by yankee

Do ads work anymore in this century? It’s not like you don’t or can’t inform yourself on their website, forums and so on. Clearly an ad doesn’t get thru me until I see a product by myself, read about it, inform myself and see real facts. Does anyone buy a car because they saw it on TV anymore?

Perhaps not, but it could make them go do a little more research on the internet though, and in this day and age, that's probably enough (if the research shows the car lives up to the hype).

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Chevy's advertising behavior tells me two things about their ad spend strategy:

1. They don't need to advertise the Camaro. It's profitable enough for the competition/market that it's in. And for their ad dollar, they don't perceive an improved bang/buck benefit by throwing more (any?) ad dollars at Camaro. It sells itself well enough for Chevy.

2. They do need to advertise their SUVs and sedans, where they need more attention on the brand to highlight their points of difference vs. competition and create demand where SUV's are a dime a dozen and sedans are dieing on the vine.

The old SWOT analysis. Camaro is strong. Sedans are weak. SUV options are a $/feature opportunity. And the entire world is a threat.

With the Aplha Camaro, Chevy has accomplished changing perceptions without spending a dime. Every automotive writer and performance enthusiast now knows the entire Alpha Camaro line offers world class performance. They may dislike aspects of the Camaro or hate Chevrolet in general, but there it no denying it’s capabilities. The Camaro is a stud.

[Frankie18SS]

I saw my first one today. It was a red SS. I honestly don't think anyone is going to change their opinion after seeing it in person... It looks exactly like it does in the pictures. Keep in mind I passed it on the freeway and this wasn't a close-up walk-around so take that for what it's worth.