[FH212]

At these prices, I wonder what my no flaws Sunday cruiser 2021 with 2,600 miles is worth

[Junction65]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Looks like it didn’t sell and honestly I wouldn’t private sell mine at that price. Dealers would pay 44k for that. I’m not private selling for only 1k more. I had mine listed for sale when I was debating moving to something else and believe I had received an offer as high as 48k. Since I wasn’t 100% sure of selling there were folks reaching out that may have had better offers. This was April and carmax offered 47k (2200 miles) and dealer I bought from offered 45k. What I’m seeing in the car market in general is sellers asking too high of a price and buyers wanting to steal things. Reading the comments on that listing it seems like buyers have an unrealistic view of what these cars are worth. At least I personally think that as there’s no way I’m selling a high 40’s car for only 1k more than what a local dealer would give me. Since it’s fall I think 47k would be a fair offer for this. If buyers want to buy one from the dealer it would retail for minimum 52k.

Yes you are correct, it didn't hit the reserve set by the seller as I'm sure you are aware. The bolded part is an accurate observation and agree with it.

Went back and looked, buyers pay a 5% fee to BAT so even if it had sold for $45,250, the buyer would have been in it for around $47.5+. An offer of $47K would have put the buyer in at $49K+ with the fee. Again I think you are spot on m6-lt1

[LateBrakeU2]

I sold my 23 2SS 1LE 6M in rapid back in spring for 58k PP. It had PDR and under 100 miles, perfect condtion. It took me five months to sell. I think the market is tougher now, some of these folks listing their 3-4 year old 1SS 1LE's for 45k are in for a wait,same as the one's asking 3k over window for same 2-3 year old ZL1's with mileage. Maybe after the election and or rate cuts..

[speedyink1]

I spotted a couple SS's at the dealership when they dropped me off to pick up my car.

I had to drive back when I had time to look at them.

Both were 2022, one a vert SS, one a coupe SS 1LE. They wanted 63k CDN, didn't matter which one. I didn't check the mileage. The SS looked in decent condition, but man, the 1LE definitely looked used. Had new tires(which means definitely some miles or hard track time), but they put 285's all around, so they were good and stretched on the rears. Some dings in the paint, steering wheel, shifter, seats, and knee bumpers all looked quite worn, some curb rash.

Makes me feel like I got a deal, but man that's rough

[JT6Speed]

Originally Posted by speedyink1

I spotted a couple SS's at the dealership when they dropped me off to pick up my car.

I had to drive back when I had time to look at them.

Both were 2022, one a vert SS, one a coupe SS 1LE. They wanted 63k CDN, didn't matter which one. I didn't check the mileage. The SS looked in decent condition, but man, the 1LE definitely looked used. Had new tires(which means definitely some miles or hard track time), but they put 285's all around, so they were good and stretched on the rears. Some dings in the paint, steering wheel, shifter, seats, and knee bumpers all looked quite worn, some curb rash.

Makes me feel like I got a deal, but man that's rough

Honestly, total rip-offs.

I think people are getting wise to it though, at least around here. There are several V8 2024 Mustangs that they can't move at the Ford dealer near me, even after discounts. There's also a bunch of 2023 392's that are getting cobwebs on them. They've been on the lot for almost 2 years!

Way too much markup on all of these cars, both new and used.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

Honestly, total rip-offs.

I think people are getting wise to it though, at least around here. There are several V8 2024 Mustangs that they can't move at the Ford dealer near me, even after discounts. There's also a bunch of 2023 392's that are getting cobwebs on them. They've been on the lot for almost 2 years!

Way too much markup on all of these cars, both new and used.

And yet Ford is still increasing the msrp’s for 2025. It’s mind boggling to me. Tons of 2024’s near me for 10+% off. Of course there are still some dealers that still think it’s 2021/2022. Hope those dealers are struggling. That’s what you get for being greedy.

[Ventmaster]

So I'm amazed at the level of detail you guys can see in those pics! Also, I considered the 1LE to be a track oriented "tool"- hence the flat black hood and manual trans only (am I mistaken on that?), and I didn't expect a sunroof option to be available for the same reason.
But $54K is too much money IMHO. Got my (intentionally) low option 1SS in'17 for less than $40K. Don't think Chevy had offered the 1LE (I took delivery in early 2017) option, O/W likely would have taken that instead but not with a sunroof .
Also gotta ask Farmer what his commission is... I won't open links from members I don't know, so... I figure you got sumthin' coming F/F!

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Ventmaster

So I'm amazed at the level of detail you guys can see in those pics! Also, I considered the 1LE to be a track oriented "tool"- hence the flat black hood and manual trans only (am I mistaken on that?), and I didn't expect a sunroof option to be available for the same reason.
But $54K is too much money IMHO. Got my (intentionally) low option 1SS in'17 for less than $40K. Don't think Chevy had offered the 1LE (I took delivery in early 2017) option, O/W likely would have taken that instead but not with a sunroof .
Also gotta ask Farmer what his commission is... I won't open links from members I don't know, so... I figure you got sumthin' coming F/F!

Nothing, I just like looking at their website every now and then. They usually have some pretty cool/interesting vehicles. I found the site looking for a 2014 GT500 back in ~2019-2020, at the time I think they had 4.

[Junction65]

2023 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE w 2,943 miles asking $57,977



Window sticker for vin=1G1FG1R72P0152554

[JT6Speed]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

And yet Ford is still increasing the msrp’s for 2025. It’s mind boggling to me. Tons of 2024’s near me for 10+% off. Of course there are still some dealers that still think it’s 2021/2022. Hope those dealers are struggling. That’s what you get for being greedy.

Yeah it amazes me people will pay so much over MSRP. I paid exactly what the window sticker said, not a cent more. Not to mention I'll put my "base" 1SS up against a new Mustang any day. Better all around performance for 10k less.

[Texas1ss]

Originally Posted by JT6Speed

Yeah it amazes me people will pay so much over MSRP. I paid exactly what the window sticker said, not a cent more. Not to mention I'll put my "base" 1SS up against a new Mustang any day. Better all around performance for 10k less.

Same here. It blows my mind. Only car I ever paid over sticker was a new 1994 Trans Am with a 6-speed. It was the last one in Texas, and they knew it. While filling out the paperwork they had the balls to say they'll have to bump it up $1,000.

My ex stormed off, and even knowing I was getting screwed by the dealer, and the wrath of my ex when we got home, I got it. But 1k is nothing. Some of the markups now are crazy.

And I agree on the 1SS. Hell, I got mine in October 2016, and they had a GM 20 percent off voucher or some deal to move it to make way for the 2017s. I think it was pushing 41k, and I got it for around 32.5. Wish those deals could still be found and the Camaro didn't become extinct. Great damn cars.

[speedyink1]

Originally Posted by Ventmaster

So I'm amazed at the level of detail you guys can see in those pics! Also, I considered the 1LE to be a track oriented "tool"- hence the flat black hood and manual trans only (am I mistaken on that?), and I didn't expect a sunroof option to be available for the same reason.

I get it, mine's basically a daily driver (for fair weather anyway).

The biggest thing is the "paying more then the car was new for a used vehicle". If it looks like new, then it's not quite as worthy to dunk on. However, when you ask that sort of price, it (in my opinion) demands higher scrutiny.

Those 2022 cars I was looking at were $63k, my 2023 brand new was $59k after options (The sticker price, I paid a bit less).

[tenargo57]

I bought a 2018 2SS 1LE with a little over 12k miles late last year for just under $39k. I love my car, but there's no way I'd spend $16k+ more for basically the same thing, especially with more mileage. I'd find an extra $5k in my budget to get the equivalent condition ZL1.

[N Camarolina]

Originally Posted by tenargo57

I bought a 2018 2SS 1LE with a little over 12k miles late last year for just under $39k. I love my car, but there's no way I'd spend $16k+ more for basically the same thing, especially with more mileage. I'd find an extra $5k in my budget to get the equivalent condition ZL1.

Granted the 2023 is a bit overpriced, but your car is 5 years older, so it rightfully should cost a good bit less, even if it has very low miles for it's age.

I think something strange has happened with used car prices ever since the COVID pandemic. I'm not talking about elevated prices or used car prices being higher than new car prices. It used to be that vehicle depreciation was predictable and directly related to a vehicles age, with each passing year of age resulting in another X% loss of value. These days it seems like used vehicles of a given model within a 3-4 year spread (say 4 years to 8 years old) can all have the same selling price. Like the model generation is dictating the price rather than the age and therefore likelihood of more expensive problems developing.