GT500 CFP vs ZL1 1LE A10 - good read ! - Page 2

TRZ06 · 01-16-2020, 05:26 PM

As most of us already know... The Alpha chassis was WAY ahead of its time and still is one of the best out there. Chevy really did hit a home run with it and it has been around for quite a while now.

The best part is Ford dealers rape you with ADM, while Chevy whores the shit out of their cars off MSRP. Real world delta between them will be about $40K

While I LOVE the DCT and miss it from my M3, it is the only thing I wish I had on my Camaro that the GT500 does have.

Ford continues to play catch up

1993kramer · 01-16-2020, 06:24 PM

The Ford has splitters and spoilers comparable to the 1LE so I think the speed difference is telling. I’ve been a hardcore Ford guy my whole life but one drive of the ZL1 hooked me. Chassis really is phenomenal!

ZRacerLE · 01-16-2020, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1993kramer

The Ford has splitters and spoilers comparable to the 1LE so I think the speed difference is telling. I’ve been a hardcore Ford guy my whole life but one drive of the ZL1 hooked me. Chassis really is phenomenal!

Good point. The CFTP car has a gt4 wing... lots of drag. Chassis, ediff, and my beloved DSSV shocks must be the difference. GT500 is a much more balanced beast though.

s.hammer · 01-16-2020, 07:52 PM

Its funny how they have been testing against other cars like the GT3RS and C8 Corvette and releasing lap times but don't have any lap times for this comparison.

ZRacerLE · 01-16-2020, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by s.hammer

Its funny how they have been testing against other cars like the GT3RS and C8 Corvette and releasing lap times but don't have any lap times for this comparison.

Hoping they are on they way.

Checkmate1 · 01-16-2020, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Good point. The CFTP car has a gt4 wing... lots of drag. Chassis, ediff, and my beloved DSSV shocks must be the difference. GT500 is a much more balanced beast though.

Actually the ZLE is better balanced at 50/50. The GT500 is more front heavy.

The Alpha chassis coupled with the amazing kinematics of the ZLE are what really help here. Not to mention being over 200 lbs lighter.

ZRacerLE · 01-16-2020, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Checkmate1

Actually the ZLE is better balanced at 50/50. The GT500 is more front heavy.

The Alpha chassis coupled with the amazing kinematics of the ZLE are what really help here. Not to mention being over 200 lbs lighter.

What I meant by balanced was the daily drivability combined with impressive braking and cornering even though edged by the ZLE.

ZLE more balanced in the handling sense though.

Both cars very, very impressive in doing what they were designed to do.

13vertss · 01-16-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

What I meant by balanced was the daily drivability combined with impressive braking and cornering even though edged by the ZLE.

ZLE more balanced in the handling sense though.

Both cars very, very impressive in doing what they were designed to do.

Why is everyone comparing the 1le vs the CFTP? These will be the least sold and most unpractical. The 1le has the rough ride and the CFTP has no back seats and cost near $100k. The testing should be base vs zl1 as that is what most will buy.

ZRacerLE · 01-16-2020, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 13vertss

Why is everyone comparing the 1le vs the CFTP? These will be the least sold and most unpractical. The 1le has the rough ride and the CFTP has no back seats and cost near $100k. The testing should be base vs zl1 as that is what most will buy.

True that, but it's nice to see the niche cars compared being someone more interested in the extreme versions.

Hopefully we get to see the ZL1 vs non CFTP soon.

ST1LE · 01-16-2020, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

True that, but it's nice to see the niche cars compared being someone more interested in the extreme versions.

Hopefully we get to see the ZL1 vs non CFTP soon.

After this test, I think the ZL1 will shine even more against the base 500 than the ZLE compared to the CFTP.

LESS1 · 01-16-2020, 09:57 PM

Any idea if this copy of the GT500 had the cage delete option? Also why is that Ford has to build special high priced iterations of the Mustang to compete with a commonly available Camaro performance option anyone can buy at most every Chevy dealership and without BS dealer mark up?

Recall the 90's GT was a dud so Ford brings out the almighty Cobra to compete with the run of the mill Camaro Z/28, never mind the 1 LE, don't even bother you lose that match up all day. Cobra plan fails so they cook up the Cobra R, followed by the 95 Cobra R and then the 2000 Cobra R. All of which more or less failed to get the job done on the street or track in the as-delivered form... read stock or class conforming for the sanctioned race bodies.

I could continue but I think the point has been made. For the record, I have owned and raced Mustangs and still own an ex-FHP 1993 Notch. What I could never understand and still to this day can't figure out is why loyal Mustang owners are willing to pay a premium for a special/limited edition that in most instances is an inferior handling and balanced car with up until a few years ago came with weak brakes as well. Boggles my mind, and sure I get the limited edition thing, but when is 5000 copies a limited edition? On the flip side of this Chevy continues to crank out great cars for a fair price which if optioned correctly runs all day at the track.

Toss in the standard and free track warranty and it is hard to fathom not buying a Camaro or Corvette, especially if your intention is to track the car. Finally, when you consider the competition can't match the value and performance offered by Chevy with what amounts to regular production vehicles at the same price range it sure is a good time to be in a Chevy!

And heads up for any trolls, don't even bother with all your BS reasons that Camaro and Corvette are inferior to brand X. When you can buy a new stock off the lot car for similar money and go as fast, come back and we will talk. Don't worry I'm not holding my breath so take all the time you want...err... need.

Brudda*Termite · 01-16-2020, 10:06 PM

As a diehard Mustang owner in the past, this surprises me not at all. I feel such a massive driving difference even in my 2SS that I expected this outcome. Ford=bloat

RobbyBeefcake87 · 01-16-2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UFDUB

Some track times would have been nice as well, but interesting read none the less. The takeaway was Camaro wins by virtue of being a better value. Interesting

They might be forthcoming, the pictures looked to be at willow springs. Maybe they're milking the tests for multiple articles.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 01-16-2020, 10:10 PM

Best part, the zle can be had with a manmission if one so desires and still run an 11.7 quarter mile.

01-16-2020, 05:26 PM	#15
TRZ06 Drives: 22' Porsche PDK GT4 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,013	As most of us already know... The Alpha chassis was WAY ahead of its time and still is one of the best out there. Chevy really did hit a home run with it and it has been around for quite a while now. The best part is Ford dealers rape you with ADM, while Chevy whores the shit out of their cars off MSRP. Real world delta between them will be about $40K While I LOVE the DCT and miss it from my M3, it is the only thing I wish I had on my Camaro that the GT500 does have. Ford continues to play catch up __________________ Current: 22' Porsche PDK GT4 (MCS 2-way remote dampers) Previous: 18' NFG 2SS *1LE* (ZL1 1LE solid rear cradle bushings & Corsa Exhaust) 16' F80 M3 (Ohlin R/T Coilovers) 13' Audi TTRS (APR Stage 1, MSS Springs) 09' C6 Z06 08' E90 M3 06' 335i (KW V2 Coilovers) 03' C5 Z06

01-16-2020, 10:06 PM	#26
Brudda*Termite Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 416	As a diehard Mustang owner in the past, this surprises me not at all. I feel such a massive driving difference even in my 2SS that I expected this outcome. Ford=bloat __________________ Gary 2017 2SS A8 White, Bolt-Ons, Prayed Upon

01-16-2020, 10:10 PM	#28
RobbyBeefcake87 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 1,980	Best part, the zle can be had with a manmission if one so desires and still run an 11.7 quarter mile. __________________ 2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar. 2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights.

01-16-2020, 06:24 PM	#16
1993kramer New to GM Drives: 17 ZL1 91 LX 5.0 Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Minnesota Posts: 61	The Ford has splitters and spoilers comparable to the 1LE so I think the speed difference is telling. I’ve been a hardcore Ford guy my whole life but one drive of the ZL1 hooked me. Chassis really is phenomenal!

01-16-2020, 07:52 PM	#18
s.hammer Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 245	Its funny how they have been testing against other cars like the GT3RS and C8 Corvette and releasing lap times but don't have any lap times for this comparison.

01-16-2020, 09:57 PM	#25
LESS1 Drives: Chevy Camaro Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: TBD Posts: 276	Any idea if this copy of the GT500 had the cage delete option? Also why is that Ford has to build special high priced iterations of the Mustang to compete with a commonly available Camaro performance option anyone can buy at most every Chevy dealership and without BS dealer mark up? Recall the 90's GT was a dud so Ford brings out the almighty Cobra to compete with the run of the mill Camaro Z/28, never mind the 1 LE, don't even bother you lose that match up all day. Cobra plan fails so they cook up the Cobra R, followed by the 95 Cobra R and then the 2000 Cobra R. All of which more or less failed to get the job done on the street or track in the as-delivered form... read stock or class conforming for the sanctioned race bodies. I could continue but I think the point has been made. For the record, I have owned and raced Mustangs and still own an ex-FHP 1993 Notch. What I could never understand and still to this day can't figure out is why loyal Mustang owners are willing to pay a premium for a special/limited edition that in most instances is an inferior handling and balanced car with up until a few years ago came with weak brakes as well. Boggles my mind, and sure I get the limited edition thing, but when is 5000 copies a limited edition? On the flip side of this Chevy continues to crank out great cars for a fair price which if optioned correctly runs all day at the track. Toss in the standard and free track warranty and it is hard to fathom not buying a Camaro or Corvette, especially if your intention is to track the car. Finally, when you consider the competition can't match the value and performance offered by Chevy with what amounts to regular production vehicles at the same price range it sure is a good time to be in a Chevy! And heads up for any trolls, don't even bother with all your BS reasons that Camaro and Corvette are inferior to brand X. When you can buy a new stock off the lot car for similar money and go as fast, come back and we will talk. Don't worry I'm not holding my breath so take all the time you want...err... need.

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