12-15-2019, 10:03 AM | #1 |
Drives: 2020 2SS M6 Join Date: Mar 2019
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poor throttle response
Hi I see this topic has been covered many times, sorry if this is a partial repeat, but I cannot seem to read my exact questions answer so here it is.
I have a 2020 SS M6, and love the car but hate the throttle response in the lower rpm, mostly off idle. (car is 100% stock now) It seems like I have (3) options to get what I want: 1- get the car tuned, which I do not want to do. 2- get a throttle controller / enhancer 3- get a larger throttle body (LT5) with special spacer and bolt on. I just met a reputable guy at PRI and he said no tuning is required he did the same thing on his car and it really wakes up the bottom end response of the LT1. He said the stock LT1 system can compensate for the larger amount of air and it fixes the issue we both did not like on our cars. What I am hoping for here is some validation from anyone who attempted option 2 or 3. I have heard the throttle controllers make the car drive weird and I am looking for a factory feel, but just more zip off idle. I also read here the 95mm throttle body requires tuning to make right and avoid check engine lights. I just don't know the right way to make the car to my preference, and I am hoping someone who has the same opinion as me has tried this and found good results with no repercussions. Thank you, Rem. |
12-15-2019, 10:26 AM | #2 |
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haven’t experienced 2 or 3 but i can tell you this:
the factory parameters in the ecu do not do well with increased airflow. i’d also wager a bet that despite the ported tb making the car more responsive, the ecu would return the throttle response back to stock (slow)...probably within a couple thousand miles. i go to pri, as well. ill be honest, i’ve rarely been impressed with the conversation from vendors, been going several years now. cool show, but you need to know who to talk to about anything technical. like mentioning “e92a” to the guys at the gm tent and they reply with what’s an e92a had to go and find the old guy, who certainly knew his stuff. for what it’s worth: my car was very lazy in the first 8k miles or so. after that it was evident the attitude had changed and it wasn’t near as bad.
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12-15-2019, 11:03 AM | #3 |
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12-15-2019, 01:09 PM | #4 | |
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This is where you can read about it all! https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=564559 and here...enjoy! https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556601
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12-15-2019, 02:01 PM | #5 |
Drives: 2016 SS 2SS Join Date: Dec 2016
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totallly agree with the Soler throttle body recommendation. It fixes the off idle issues completely.
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12-15-2019, 07:23 PM | #6 |
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I went the TB and throttle controller route as I'm under warranty, transformed the car (M6), I can now leave intersections not looking like a noob. Started with a Mamo and ended up with the Soler TB, both are good but the Soler is better IMHO. There are a few controllers out there and they do pretty much the same thing for varying amounts of money, I have a Vitesse now and it works fine. Soler has one now for $75, $100 less than the Vitesse so I'd go there.
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12-16-2019, 04:36 AM | #7 |
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Get an automatic. I learned the hard way with my M6. When you place an anachronistic piece of outdated technology in the middle of modern high technology components: "slow" is the outcome.
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12-16-2019, 11:32 AM | #8 |
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Are you driving in track mode? Be sure to drive in Sport, unless you're actually on a track.
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12-16-2019, 11:43 AM | #9 | |
Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2019
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12-16-2019, 11:54 AM | #10 |
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12-16-2019, 11:56 AM | #11 |
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"throttle response" is a complicated topic that encompasses several things. Are you referring to the throttle mapping? A lot of people seem to want "instant" throttle response but you'll never get it in a car with an ECU. Getting a different throttle body won't change it. I thought the throttle response in mine was pretty stellar. What precisely is the issue you are having?
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12-16-2019, 12:07 PM | #12 | |
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So far no problems with my M6, didn’t notice any lag or bogging. I have had the car for almost a month and haven’t even experienced the skip shift yet, mind you I have a heavy foot. Love the Rev match. No complaints, after doing both auto and manual I favour the manual for the driving experience. The Gen 6 is a great car in either set up and that’s why I just bought my second Gen 6 SS.
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12-16-2019, 06:43 PM | #13 | |
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I put a throttle controller on it, and that certainly made it more linear. Had it for a couple of years, no real issues except it would occasionally send it to limp mode. A recalibration was all it took to correct it. I took it out when it went to body shop and never put it back in. Guess I decided the benefit didn't outweigh going into limp mode every so often. I don't know if the Soler Performance is any better than the one I had, but being essentially the same theory and tech, and $100 cheaper, IDK, think I'll pass on the controller all together. The lag on the 2018 M6 isn't such that I feel I really 'need' to address it. |
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12-17-2019, 05:33 AM | #14 |
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Soler is what i went for as well. great place and great product
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