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Old 09-16-2019, 11:31 PM   #1
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GM's UAW's strike

What do you guys think about the GM strike?I have not heard but does it affect all GM plants?Also wondering if it will effect the 2020 Camaro production.I know these thing can be over in a day or they could last months.Hopefully for everyone at GM they can get it worked out.
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Old 09-17-2019, 12:16 AM   #2
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Time will only tell. I bet all those that have put in orders with the new c8 Corvette are hoping it gets resolved quickly. Trusting a good production during these strikes I can see quality slipping and having trust and take delivery would be #1 concern of mine. Luckily those that have already bought GM vehicles dont have to worry. As far as new buyer it would not be too surprising that they look at other brands.
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Old 09-17-2019, 01:03 AM   #3

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Old 09-17-2019, 01:16 AM   #4
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All of GM’s plants are closed, and other unions like the Teamsters are supporting the strike - so new-car deliveries are shut down too.
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Old 09-17-2019, 04:30 AM   #5
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i think its ridiculous that the unions are on strike bc people need the cars made (especially the people at Bowling Green assembly at the moment) and i think the UAW needs to get there top brass, income and etc. straighten out before going to the table and asking for more money for them selves.i get that provide benefits to members and other things, but they dont realize that shit happens and its out of GMs control. also dont think ford/FCA are off the hook either

but what do they expect coming out of a blue state(like Michigan) and the epicenter of organized labor

also the union was designed to improve worker safety and improve working conditions not to strike bc they got the short end of the stick.

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Old 09-17-2019, 07:28 AM   #7

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I also understand that the strike involves major parts distribution centers, and as mentioned, if the teamsters are in line with UAW, nothing is moving anywhere.
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I do not support Union's of any kind for any reason, all of them may many F's befall upon them. All of them should be summarily terminated with extreme prejudice.
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They have a right to strike as long as they aren't violent. However don't be surprised if GM keeps sending jobs overseas to avoid the higher cost of labor.
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Old 09-17-2019, 10:08 AM   #11
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If you haven't watched the Netflix original film American Factory you should take the time to do so. More importantly, I think anyone in a Union or definitely on strike should watch it twice! GM sells more cars in China than the US. Look for more competition from Chinese factories as perhaps Buicks will be imports instead of exports! Interesting times for big business globalization and the maturation of the Chinese middle class and economy.

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Old 09-17-2019, 10:13 AM   #12
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Look - if you think that "labor offshore" is really the difference, then you need to think about all the variables that go into manufacturing for a global company.

Believe it or not - the cost of labor in the US vs China is within 5% of each other. Are the wages that close? No. But U.S. manufacturing is also reported to be 70-90% more productive, and that is considering the average shift here is 8hrs vs 12hrs in China. Once you factor in everything like benefits and logistics, the number is really close. I work with a ton of companies that manufacture all over the world and they tell you that things now are more even now than they have ever been. Most will tell you cost to manufacture is within 7-8%. So why build factories around the world?

For starters - logistics. How cost effective would it be to build a 4,000lb car and ship it half way around the world to the buyer? No very. You are adding a serious amount of shipping and tariffs into the mix. IE - in Japan, it is a mandatory 30% import tariff on a imported vehicle. So you build cars in the markets in which they are sold.

See Americans think every good idea starts and ends here in our country. A shocking statistic is that GM sold 23% more cars in China last year vs here (1.6M vs 1.3M). Being that China has a 25% import tariff on cars, you would want to build cars in China also. A car built in China that is imported into the US only has 2.5%. So it is easier for GM to build cars there and bring them here.

Second thing is that in the US, a car company has to build a network of dealers and hold billions of dollars of inventory on the lots because the average US buyer wants to walk on the lot and browse cars. Which is all fine and dandy, but that comes at a cost. Every car sold, even if you pay cash, has somewhere buried in its cost 6-8% interest that you paid along the way (in the form of interest forced onto the dealer by the manufacturer and interest charged to the manufacturer by their banks & the government for the purchase of raw materials).

In Asia - over 90% of the cars sold are sold prior to being built. A guy walks into the dealer, looks at the car, might drive one, and then orders one. The dealerships are owned by the company and they don't have a ocean of cars out in front. They might have 25 cars there, and yea, you can buy off the lot, but most people order. So for the car company there is a seriously reduced amount of logistics selling in Asia (and Europe is quickly changing to this business model). Would you rather take the money for the car you want to sell up front, or would you want to build it and hope someone comes and buys it?

The two models that sell the most globally for GM are the Buick Envision & the Chevy Trax. Both are designed and built for the Asian market, and are built in China. Buick dealers here scream at GM that they can't get enough of them, but GM sells them before they are even built in China.

If you are a fan of your Camaro (of course built here in Lansing, and not available in most of the world) you have to understand, if there was no "offshore labor", you would have had to buy a car from someone else. GM would either have been gone or close to gone by the time the 6th Gen Camaro was produced. Stepping away from thinking that the only place to sell cars is North America is the best thing that GM ever did, and had it not been for the bailout it would have never happened. It's nothing to do with the UAW or the unions, it has to do with being able to take advantage of the world market.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:25 AM   #13

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Ahhhh BS

This strike was a forgone conclusion as the top brass at UAW wants the Rank & File to forget about the corruption investigation.

Mary Barra is not the issue. GM has to go through a fundamental change as it moves to compete in the global market.
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To put another light on this. The workers took several cuts during the 2008-2010 time frame. This was a cut in wages and benefits. GM made > $11,000,000,000 in pre-tax profit last fiscal year. That $11 Billion. Workers wanting to have some of their work rewarded in not only logical, it is fair.

Unions are simply responsible for living wages, worker safety, healthcare, retirement and a host of other benefits that are now accepted across the work place. Another, over-looked, feature of unions is that for every union job, there are 7-8 non-union jobs that carry near equal pay and benefits.

A fair day's wage for a fair day's work is just.
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