[Artos]

Thanks...only reason I ask is I live in an area where 6-7 months of the year literally hover around 95-105.

Rain usually isn't an issue that sneaks up on us & keeping the engine cool sorta has me concerned with the climate I'm in.

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Yes...rain, and car washes.

The drip tray is part of a system designed to keep flowing water away from sensitive components in the engine compartment...easy to just keep it on. During daily driving, there's no reason to have a ton of extra airflow....on the track: There is.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Remember those media ride-along laps in Nevada earlier this year? Those cars were running non-stop...there was no opportunity for a 20 min, 40 min cool down, and they were going full-tilt...by the end of the session, the brakes were glowing red without fading back down...

...That session lasted for about 3 hours straight. They burned through over a tank of fuel. Neither the manual, or automatic car experienced any cooling issues.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to rip on the new ZL1 or bring anyone's hopes down. All I'm saying is all the testing so far has been done with ideal air flow. Get it on a track with cars in front of it. Does it still stay cool? How about on a hot humid summer day with cars in front of it? I think the Nevada testing was done in the evening? Only 2 cars on the track or was it just the one?
Again, I'm just being cautiously optimistic. Not trying to be negative here. My current car and next one which will likely be a Gen 6 1LE or ZL1 are occasional driver/track toys. I don't want to mod them or have heat issues on the track. See where I'm coming from? I appreciate all you guys with zero doubt testing them for me next year while I watch

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Consider exiting a corner in a M6 at 3500 rpms in 2nd...accelerate to 6200, shift to third...4800....accelerate to 6200.....

Versus...exiting a corner in the A10 at 5500 rpms in 3rd...accelerate to 6200, shift to 4th, 5400, accelerate to 6200....shift to 5th, 5400...

That's one of the things I noticed, the close gear spacing and how little the revs changed on either the upshift or the downshift. I'm trying to wrap my head around manually or even paddle-shifting a transmission where the average gear spacing is 1.15:1 or less like it appears to be here. Without a whole lot of success outside of a sport-bike transmission.

That the sound track was unlike any other automatic-equipped car I can remember hearing. Not a dead give-away that it's an automatic.

Like mlee has posted, it's not about how fast shifts on a road course can be accomplished - up or down . . . I'll add that it is about how smoothly.

Impressive.


Norm

[KLR ZL1]

I like the fact it was totally in auto mode and selected the right gear at the right time. Pretty impressive.

[JoeP@TeamBeckyD]

Originally Posted by KLR ZL1

I like the fact it was totally in auto mode and selected the right gear at the right time. Pretty impressive.

Absolutely Agree!

.......Very Impressive!


Becky

[GoneBoy]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

That's one of the things I noticed, the close gear spacing and how little the revs changed on either the upshift or the downshift. I'm trying to wrap my head around manually or even paddle-shifting a transmission where the average gear spacing is 1.15:1 or less like it appears to be here. Without a whole lot of success outside of a sport-bike transmission.

That the sound track was unlike any other automatic-equipped car I can remember hearing. Not a dead give-away that it's an automatic.

Like mlee has posted, it's not about how fast shifts on a road course can be accomplished - up or down . . . I'll add that it is about how smoothly.

Impressive.


Norm

You guys bring up some really good points, so your clarification is definitely well received. For road coarse work, I guess it'll just boil down to driver subjectivity...knock a few seconds off your lap time with the auto always remaining in that optimal power band, or feel more a little more connected to the car and track via the manual. I'm sure we'll all be happy with our decisions.

[shaffe]

hot damn that was impressive....I mean damn that thing was flying. I figured it would beat the 5th gen Z/28 but not by that much. That was impressive

And OMG that A10....holy crap!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Artos

Thanks...only reason I ask is I live in an area where 6-7 months of the year literally hover around 95-105.

Rain usually isn't an issue that sneaks up on us & keeping the engine cool sorta has me concerned with the climate I'm in.

It'll be perfectly fine under normal driving, even spirited driving, conditions....Heat will always find its way out...the engine has no "cover", and the hood isn't insulated, so that'll help a ton, too.

The benefit to removing the drip tray while on the track is so that the extractor hood vent (which literally sucks out air as you drive faster) can work efficiently. At city and highway speeds, you probably won't notice a difference in coolant temps drip tray v no drip tray.

Originally Posted by Thor142

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to rip on the new ZL1 or bring anyone's hopes down. All I'm saying is all the testing so far has been done with ideal air flow. Get it on a track with cars in front of it. Does it still stay cool? How about on a hot humid summer day with cars in front of it? I think the Nevada testing was done in the evening? Only 2 cars on the track or was it just the one?
Two cars in Nevada, yes, in the evening. For what it's worth...I've asked multiple people, from the engineering team, to the engine plant, about the cooling issues with the Z06 and how it'll pertain to the ZL1...all have held the same line - the car will do stupendously. I believe that.

Corvette's biggest problem was it's design...not enough airflow when ambient temps started climbing.

Again, I'm just being cautiously optimistic. Not trying to be negative here. My current car and next one which will likely be a Gen 6 1LE or ZL1 are occasional driver/track toys. I don't want to mod them or have heat issues on the track. See where I'm coming from? I appreciate all you guys with zero doubt testing them for me next year while I watch

Yes, it makes sense to me...I can't get one until the end of summer anyways, so I will also be watching the first-adopters. But I have every confidence this car will be as indestructible as the last one was.

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

That's one of the things I noticed, the close gear spacing and how little the revs changed on either the upshift or the downshift. I'm trying to wrap my head around manually or even paddle-shifting a transmission where the average gear spacing is 1.15:1 or less like it appears to be here. Without a whole lot of success outside of a sport-bike transmission.

That the sound track was unlike any other automatic-equipped car I can remember hearing. Not a dead give-away that it's an automatic.

Like mlee has posted, it's not about how fast shifts on a road course can be accomplished - up or down . . . I'll add that it is about how smoothly.

Impressive.


Norm

The only thing I can really relate this to is a F1/Indy or LeMans car. And even there...the spacing isn't this dramatic, it's the sheer acceleration of those cars that require quick shifts.

But you and Mike are right - the smoothness, and intuitive programming in full-auto mode as displayed by the video is astounding! So impressive.

Like Aaron Link, and Matt Scrase (sp?) and others on the team have said...in literally all conditions, this transmission will allow the car & driver to have 100% power available, 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by shaffe

hot damn that was impressive....I mean damn that thing was flying. I figured it would beat the 5th gen Z/28 but not by that much. That was impressive

And OMG that A10....holy crap!

Originally Posted by GoneBoy

You guys bring up some really good points, so your clarification is definitely well received. For road coarse work, I guess it'll just boil down to driver subjectivity...knock a few seconds off your lap time with the auto always remaining in that optimal power band, or feel more a little more connected to the car and track via the manual. I'm sure we'll all be happy with our decisions.

EXACTLY. And I agree with the last statement. Both "versions" of this car are going to be wickedly good.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

That was debunked a while ago. I don't know why the press materials stated that - it's not true. The gear ratios are track-oriented like last generation's ZL1, 1LE and Z/28...there are two overdrive gears.

However - I agree with you on the manual transmission's prowess...

The clutch pedal is about as light as the SS model...WAY lighter than last generation ZL1. It features rev-matching, a beautiful technology. And, first gear will run out to 60 mph.

Should be fun!

Hmmmm....de-bunked?....When? Why?....If you say so....I missed that one....oh, well. It sounded like a good improvement at the time....

...I just hope the manual ZL-1 guys know what they are or aren't getting....

[AZ Charlie]

I am sorry guys but no way a stock Z/28 is going to beat the new ZL1 on that track. Trust me I was dissapointed with the time of the new ZL1 because we (Z/28 owners) got hammered on time. BUT, the good news is the ZL1 kicked ass! You can not blame the Z/28's time on the rain bc it was more of a slight drizzle which honestly for a pro driver and even on those tires (hot) can handle easily (track is still dry) and not beat it by that time. The new ZL1's automatic is faster period - no denying that over stick. The HP difference and top speed will eat our car for "best lap time". I do wish they would take my car there and compare and I am sure if our car had more HP or the same HP it would be close but again the automatic drivetrain in the new ZL1 is pretty impressive. Both drivers pushed the cars to the max potential that is for sure!

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Yes, it makes sense to me...I can't get one until the end of summer anyways, so I will also be watching the first-adopters. But I have every confidence this car will be as indestructible as the last one was.

The last one heat soaks......

[SpeedIsLife]

After the Z06 fiasco (and yes it was a fiasco, GM screwed up big time..) I really doubt they're gonna biff the ZL1..

Have a bit of faith, boy-o!

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by AZ Charlie

I am sorry guys but no way a stock Z/28 is going to beat the new ZL1 on that track. Trust me I was dissapointed with the time of the new ZL1 because we (Z/28 owners) got hammered on time. BUT, the good news is the ZL1 kicked ass! You can not blame the Z/28's time on the rain bc it was more of a slight drizzle which honestly for a pro driver and even on those tires (hot) can handle easily (track is still dry) and not beat it by that time. The new ZL1's automatic is faster period - no denying that over stick. The HP difference and top speed will eat our car for "best lap time". I do wish they would take my car there and compare and I am sure if our car had more HP or the same HP it would be close but again the automatic drivetrain in the new ZL1 is pretty impressive. Both drivers pushed the cars to the max potential that is for sure!

This is great. It's called progress. Imagine if the Z/28 was the fastest still 25 years later... Progress is a beautiful thing. In addition, no matter what you have there is always something faster.

In closing: Enjoy your ride and buy whatever YOU can get your hands on.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 90503

Hmmmm....de-bunked?....When? Why?....If you say so....I missed that one....oh, well. It sounded like a good improvement at the time....

...I just hope the manual ZL-1 guys know what they are or aren't getting....

I was the only one...or one of the only ones...to report that from the presentation. Turned out to be worded, wrong, and I

Originally Posted by Thor142

The last one heat soaks......

As does every engine, to a degree. I haven't read a ton of heat-soak issues with old ZL1 out on the track...and having owned if for two years, and multiple track sessions, I didn't experience anything terrible, either.

Either way, the LT4 & ZL1 is much improved. 11 heat exchangers...massive grille openings...etc...

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

After the Z06 fiasco (and yes it was a fiasco, GM screwed up big time..) I really doubt they're gonna biff the ZL1..

Have a bit of faith, boy-o!