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97% of scientific community used to think Earth was flat too... so... lol
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Yes, and that’s the point about science, it’s not about being correct but trying to explain everything around us and gather as much information as possible to do so, trying to imply that they were “wrong” before just validates the existence of science and scientists and the ability of humans to, you know, learn, or do you want to be judged by the things you said when you were 6?
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Last year, I drove my truck a few hundred miles and saw about 14MPG averaged over that tank of fuel. Over the course of 80k miles of driving, I have averaged 16.8MPG (including that low MPG I just mentioned). Should I "throw out" that sample of data, citing that it is anomalous, and re-calculate my average MPG over the life of the truck? Or, am I better served to look further into the details and understand that it was a significant reduction in MPG because I drove 150 miles towing an empty trailer and an additional 150 miles towing that same trailer with a Camaro loaded on it? Which course results in a better, more accurate understanding? Yes, disagreements are ok because they can improve the overall understanding if those that are not in agreement can engage with others to discuss and try to better understand. If everyone that doesn't like an explanation simply dismisses it as false and "refuses to believe", there's no advancement. |
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Alright, I'm dipping my toes back into this climate discussion...I'm getting bored and it is Friday LOL. I was just thinking - for those of us who park our cars for the winter, does that make up for the "additional" harm the our cars/engines do to the environment? I.e. does the 6.2L actually emit less pollutants (annually) than average because it is driven less? Granted, we are still burning fuel with another vehicle while the Camaro is parked, but it would be interesting to see the factual averages.
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Similarly, we do not know the actual specific POSITION on Earth of where that air bubble was (latitude, longitude, and elevation - how high were the seas at that moment?) because land and ice masses move. We also do not know other necessary variables like the level of sun spot activity on that day, Earth's exact distance from the sun, or even the strength / orientation of the magnetic field (recent research is suggesting that major events have occurred relative to certain species at times when the Earth's magnetic field is at a reduced level or the polarity is "in motion"). Extrapolation is fine, but we need to be continually adding data types and data points to continue to develop our understanding. |
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As to your mpg scenario yes of course the more details the better. When it comes to climate change, scientists believe they have enough to understand and determine what is going on today. |
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When scientists focus on climate from before the past 100-150 years, they use records from physical, chemical and biological materials preserved within the geologic record. Organisms (such as diatoms, forams and coral) can serve as useful climate proxies. Other proxies include ice cores, tree rings, and sediment cores. Chemical proxy records include isotope ratios, elemental analyses, biomarkers and biogenic silica. Taken together, these proxies extend our knowledge of past climate back hundreds of millions of years into the past |
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Science taught us that bloodletting cured disease, until we learned that it not only didn't but likely led to infections. We always know what we know because of science, until something happens that shows us otherwise. Right now, we "know" about climate change and our impact on it because of science. At some point, there could be a discovery of something accepted as significantly more concrete that changes that belief. |
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It also is not talk about CARS. Which I come here to this forum to escape from this B.S. personally. That is what I was referring to.
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