04-11-2018, 10:54 AM | #183 |
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On the other hand, there are people like Jim Hackett (who is apparently trying to re-imagine Ford as a "mobility company" ahead of the others). Which in end form sounds like anything but fun.
Closer to the individual enthusiast, there's more than a few folks who want everybody to embrace the notion of autonomous transportation. I'm aiming mostly at them. Norm
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Actually, from you, yes, I expected an anecdote incident that would somewhat "prove" that technology advancing isn't completely a good thing because that one time it actually increased the risk you faced when it failed on you. Then I just think a bit and realize your point of view does not take into account all the time ABS or any other driving assistance actually helped drivers by doing it's job because it might never have happened to you (doubtful but vOv).
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I know if I counted up all the number of times I ever put a car into its ABS on my fingers that I'd have as many left over as I'd used (I'm not counting any intentional ABS events encountered while hooning around in the snow or investigating what ABS activity might feel like). This covers a little over 17 years at this point, and even includes my track time. Of course I can't fix momentary shortcomings in other drivers, so yeah, it's possible that I might some day avoid the consequences of a mistake on their part that was mitigated through ABS, Stabilitrak, or some other technological assistance. But what's more likely is another driver making a serious right-of-way error in a scenario that would be beyond the laws of physics to avoid or otherwise prevent. Norm
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His denial is very persistent though, especially when he'd rather reference track times than saved lives minus his own. Norm is also under the impression that driver assistance features have done him little good to date. Quote:
Of course you are allowed your opinion even if it suggests that track times are more important than covering lapses in awareness/judgement, but it would inform whether or not I take your position seriously when it comes to public well-being. You are also allowed to have a dedicated track car that has no cumbersome safety features to bog down your driving capabilities.
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But, I will say, as a manual driver, I do NOT like flappy paddle or shiftronic gearboxes. For the average driver, they are fine. But for someone who understands a manual transmission and understands the benefits of going from 5th to 2nd to slow down hard without sliding from overbraking, these transmissions are dangerous to me. If I put it in 2nd, I want it in ****ing 2nd. |
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When there is nothing to report where any of these technologies have done me any good when I had any of them available, that is the only conclusion that can come out of it. There haven't even been any situations before they were available to me where they might have helped, not even a couple I can think of from over 40 and over 50 years ago respectively where getting into the situation in the first place was entirely on me and I knew it as the situations were developing. Quote:
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You really need to know that I just don't get into such situations on the street, though I did once manage to needlessly trigger the stability control on my wife's car (yes, it was needless). Norm
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I perceive you as an intelligent person, but you are as stubborn as a rock. Do you for one second think that the average driver is even 1% as capable a driver as you, or as what you say you are? You think you have driven a lot, but I would venture to say that I have many more driving miles than you with less years alive. I'm going to give you a little anecdotal evidence(since you are obviously a huge proponent of it). When I drive my truck for many miles at a time I get bored and make up games for myself to keep me entertained an engaged on the road. One of the games I play is, "identify the distracted driver". Instead of over exaggerating I try to be conservative and make my observations 100% identification. In other words I do not count it if I think I may have seen something. On a trip from Jacksonville to Tampa Florida I identified 8 out of 10 drivers as being completely distracted. This includes many things, but phone is the most common. I drove next to a man from the south side of Orlando to the east side of Tampa who was in the left lane(passing lane for those uninformed). He paced me unintentionally the whole time holding up all the traffic for 68 miles. He did not put his phone down once, it looked like he was watching videos the whole time. My point. You are not the average driver, but you are trying to say we should based highway safety upon your skill level. Hell, if what you say is true, I'm not even close to your skill level and I'm a professional driver. |
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I want to support and build technology that IS representative of the majority of drivers. I apologize if the technology is not useful for you in this instance, but it doesn't mean that it can't be useful for many other people who are going to continue to exist as bad/distracted/uninvolved drivers whether we like it or not. The beautiful thing about all of these technological advancements is that nobody is going to force you to to buy a car that has them. Take seat belts for instance: An invention that has likely saved the lives of MILLIONS of passengers since they became a requirement in new cars. Classic cars from before seatbelts were written into law in 1968 can still be driven on the road today without them, regardless of the fact that seatbelts save lives at almost no cost to the driver. This will continue to be the case with safety features like automation: You will never be forced into an automated car, and they will never become popular unless they do a better job than the drivers that they are replacing (again, a bar that you personally do not set).
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Kinda ironic that we are trying to fix the problem by piling on more technology. But everyone is absolutely certain that the people building these autonomous vehicles are not at all distracted while they are building the cars and programing the computers. And the people that maintain and repair the cars will never be distracted by their phones. And the corporate executives are being 100% honest about how perfect these cars are. If people are not smart enough or alert enough to drive themselves to work, how smart and alert are they when they get to work. Once we have the technology to get people to work with out them having to think, perhaps we can start developing technology that will think for them and do their work for them so they can play with their smart phone all day. Just think of all the things we can have technology do for us, driving, cooking , cleaning, filing, creating presentations, and how about sex, we can create some technology to have sex for us so we don't have to pay attention to our partner. When does it stop? Never, people adore technology, technology can do no wrong, and the big corporations can make billions as long as they can convince us we need it,its for the children, think of the children,if it saves one child its worth it. I believe these cars can be and will be very good one day. But that day is a long ways of, and in the mean time its going to be rough. Lots more Mark Zukerberg's trying to convince us they have our best interest at heart. |
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People should be smooth enough at the controls that they almost never (or maybe all the way to never) invoke any of these technologies. Should be able to, at least. Norm
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Interesting that you mention seat belts. I've been using them in every car that had them since I started driving. The driver side belt that was backfit into a hotrodded 1960 compact car probably saved my life in 1966. Of course, a seat belt isn't a device that can choose to control the vehicle dynamics differently from the way I might. I have no problems with developments like belts and improved passenger cell integrity. Quote:
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The more we take responsibility away from drivers, the more they will take advantage. Lane departure is for people texting instead of driving. By making driving so safe, we’ve ensured the lazy and incompetent to escape the fate they deserve. Driving habits are at an all time low in terms of following the rules of the road and good old manners. I’d like to see mandatory technology that disables all cellphones while in motion over more crutches for people unable or unwilling to give driving the level of seriousness it requires.
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