12-27-2020, 07:27 AM | #57 | |
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12-27-2020, 07:40 AM | #58 | |
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12-27-2020, 09:00 AM | #59 |
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True words gtfoxy!👍
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12-27-2020, 12:09 PM | #60 |
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GM is failing to keep the Camaro relevant.
Ford and Dodge are not failing to keep their product relevant. GM is building the Camaro that requires the least effort for them. Ford and Dodge are building cars that their fans want.
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12-27-2020, 01:07 PM | #61 |
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So the Camaro may be around until 2026. That is great news. Or, is it really news? Was it ever written in stone that the Camaro would end in 2023? or was that an oft repeated rumor that turned into likely being true?...Impalas were supposed to end after a certain year...I think they kept making them for two or more years after everyone thought they would end.
How many years in advance did they announce the end of the Cruz? Not many if at all, as I recall. Just sayin' the Camaro could end this year, or go on for seven more. No one really knows. |
12-27-2020, 01:13 PM | #62 |
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If the Camaro had bigger side windows I honestly believe the car would sell much better.
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12-27-2020, 02:57 PM | #63 |
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The Camaro needs no TV commercials. It's a waste of money, the decision makers know best. Quit asking to see a TV ad to boost Camaro sales. Sales are lousy, but ads won't help. The Camaro marketing team is realizing the maximum sales and popularity possible. That's what is the correct and polite thing to believe.
The real genius of the folks at GM is paying for one 5 million dollar Super Bowl TV ad with BLM spokesperson LeBron James receiving an undisclosed payment (likely as high as possible) for the new Hummer. Prior to the LeBron James Super Bowl ad, the Hummer had already maxed out how many will be built and sold for the next one, two, or three years. So the Hummer that needs no advertising and has reached its build amount capacity for a few years gets a $5 Million tv ad, (plus production cost, and celebrity fees, etc.) and a Camaro that is lagging behind its competitors and seeing poor sales has no TV advertising budget. Yep, those GM marketing people sure know their stuff (and are very nice people) so don't question their decisions. |
12-27-2020, 03:20 PM | #64 | |
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No reason they can’t work the Camaro into other vehicle commercials for very little cost. It doesn’t need to be featured, just have the Silverado park next to a ZL1 at the end of a Commercial. |
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12-27-2020, 04:25 PM | #65 | ||
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As to the highlighted part, however, I beg to differ. One fundamental function of targeted ads is exactly to bridge such gaps in perception, these well-known shortcomings of the Camaro design aren't inherently fatal. You are grossly underestimating the herd mentality that governs a large segment of this late 20th, early 21st century modern population. Oh, and if GM really, really wanted the Camaro to succeed, they could've spent the budget allocated to the completely uncalled for redesigns on addressing these gaps. I think the Corvette is the only sports car GM wants to keep alive going forward. This is a story similar to what I witnessed with Betamax vs VHS, Commodore Amiga vs IBM PC and many other examples. Clearly superior technologies can very easily lose out due to perceptions that could have been swayed effectively with advertising/marketing (inept financial management also contributing to their demise in some cases, but I have no idea whether or not that is applicable here).
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12-27-2020, 05:02 PM | #66 | |
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It was a mustang gt vs a prius around the track. The prius goes as fast as it can, while the mustang just has to stay with it. At the end, the mustang had better fuel economy than the prius. Ill try to find the video shortly. |
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12-27-2020, 05:21 PM | #67 | |
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All I hear is the same old excuses GM has made over and over again. I'll stand by they are stupid. How can you justify a car that you manufacture, yet there are people who could be interested in it and don't even know the vehicle is still in production? Kind of seems like a textbook example of stupidity to me. You don't need professionals or actors to make effective advertising. There is a new development in the world called social media where you can do a lot with a little bit. They make an awesome car and people who know are turned off before ever actually getting into one, where the problems people complain about are a lot less significant than they are made out to be. |
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12-27-2020, 05:46 PM | #68 | |
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The point of that is, fixing that would have required a “vehicle major upgrade”. Those cost several hundred million, sometimes as much as a billion plus. A mid-cycle upgrade, like 2019 got costs tens of millions. For a 60,000 / year car, you’re getting a mid-cycle, not a major. That’s also why Mustang has built S197, S550, and soon S650 off the same D2C platform with some generational fixes, even though enthusiasts are screaming for a new platform. And then there’s Dodge....
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12-27-2020, 06:04 PM | #69 |
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If someone wants larger side windows and a taller top buy a Truck or SUV which the Camaro isn’t!
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12-27-2020, 06:22 PM | #70 |
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That doesn't mean GM would get many updates in Alpha Camaro. It probably goes like Nissan 370Z.
Consider today's sport car market, Camaro isn't really bad in the market. Hey, Fiat doesn't want to sell 124 anymore.
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