05-30-2018, 10:33 AM | #2199 |
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And isn’t that the real problem. I love the Camaro. I’m on my forth one in 3 years. However, the refresh is still ugly AF. I don’t care how you slice it.
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05-30-2018, 10:35 AM | #2200 |
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05-30-2018, 10:48 AM | #2201 |
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05-30-2018, 10:55 AM | #2202 |
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05-30-2018, 10:56 AM | #2203 |
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05-30-2018, 10:57 AM | #2204 | |
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A loaded Z28 with the 350 and automatic was around $13,500 which is about $32,000 in today's money. Don't forget, even the base 2018 LS turbo 2.0 6 speed with zero options at $26,000 right now would even beat the fully loaded 1984 Z28 350 with a 5 speed stick in every aspect of performance. The 350 HO 5 speed 0-60 was 6.6 seconds, turbo 4 automatic today is 5.7 seconds. Also, handling and braking (even with the base stock brakes, no Brembos) isn't even close. In other words, you can still have your base, no frills, high performance Camaro Z28 you could get in 1984 for under $30k in today's money. It's just going to be a turbo 4 now. But it's still going to blow the doors off your 1984 Camaro Z28. That's really how you need to compare apples to apples. You also have to be mindful of the limitations of technology in 1984 vs 2018. Not even comparable. Even the brightest most forward thinking engineers in 1984 could not conceive of the technology our cars have in 2018 that enable performance, let alone creature comforts. Last edited by fastball; 05-30-2018 at 11:10 AM. |
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05-30-2018, 11:49 AM | #2206 | |
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05-30-2018, 11:53 AM | #2207 | |
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Well said.
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05-30-2018, 12:18 PM | #2208 | |
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The problem here is everyone is comparing a 1984 Z28 5.7 HO to a 2018 SS 6.2 from the pure "V8 to V8" aspect. Or looking at the 2LT or 2SS. Just look at a base LS 2.0T with zero options. That's still MORE performance than an '84 Z28 - and $6,000 LESS when adjusted for inflation!! If you went back in time with a base LS 2.0T Camaro to 1984 and let someone who owned a brand new Z28 350 drive it, they'd trade their Z28 in for it in a heartbeat. So yes, you CAN still buy a powerful stripped down Camaro for washing dishes. Who here can't afford a $26,000 car? I could, straight out of college, in 1999. That's what I'm getting at. |
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05-30-2018, 12:36 PM | #2209 | |
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Suggesting a Camaro should cost less than a base Corolla brings this point home... Btw a Camaro is not a $65k car as some Dodge person suggested here. Most pay about $40 for an SS 1LE and some paid in the 30s - me included. And thats a bargain. One just has to get off their armchair and do some research. As far as ads: they dont sell cars. They just create or maintain brand awareness and Chevy has been a fastest growing brand for a few yrs running now. So obviously whatever they are doing is working. Notwithstanding the experts here may have other ideas |
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05-30-2018, 12:47 PM | #2210 |
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05-30-2018, 01:26 PM | #2211 |
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I know this thread is not about marketing or advertising but about the re fresh. Let me just say, I am on record that I HATE it. Maybe it will grow on me but I doubt it. Further more, commercials do actually work. I recently bought my Fiance a 18 Dodge Charger R/T. We were watching TV one night and one of those Dodge commercials came on and she said, why don't we trade in my Kia for one of those Chargers, its still got 4 doors for the kids? So we were on the Dodge lot the very next morning driving one. Purchased the one she wanted 2 weeks later in Phoenix. Ads do work and it sure wouldn't hurt Chevy to market the Camaro and Vette instead of those STUPID reality show commercials I cant stand. I sold my 2017 Chevy Silverado because I myself was waiting for the re fresh to buy a 2019 SS 1LE. That was until I saw the pictures of them. I couldn't believe it. So I started looking for a Challenger Scat Pack and came so so close to buying one. But I have always been GM loyal so it was killing me to imagine having 2 Dodge's. I ended up picking up a very low mileage 17 SS 1LE here on the forum that I am extremely happy with. Point being, the re fresh made me buy a used 17 instead of what I was wanting a new 2019 because they just don't look good AT ALL to me, and I almost bought a Challenger. I am sure I am not the only one that has done that with this re fresh.....AND commercials sure wouldn't hurt Chevy one bit. We are in our 40's and Dodges bad ass commercials worked on us!
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05-30-2018, 01:27 PM | #2212 | |
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I hear you on the stripper. Kinda what Mustang LX used to be right? Having said that a 1ss can surely be had for proly mid 30s which aint bad in comparison. But this likely means ordering one or taking advantage of GMs 15 or 20% discount sales which they seem to do regularly about 3 times per year. I think the market for sport coupes has changed over the years. And with it the target audience and hence the pricing and trims. Just a guess on my part based on seeing who actually drives them. Cheers! |
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