Got my car dyno tuned with Kong x-porting - Page 7

Akura · 04-30-2023, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Where have you read about problems due to the epoxy used? I'm aware of one source but that source is also a competitor to Kong and really hates Kong.

Here:

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=39

JSH · 04-30-2023, 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=Akura;11311569]Here:

[url]https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11310226&postcount=3

Sounds like something a competitor would spread

CW3SF · 04-30-2023, 07:23 PM

If you google “Kong epoxy failures” there are exactly Zero items found. Whatever the “grapevine” alleged was apparently not documented online anywhere.

Akura · 04-30-2023, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CW3SF

If you google “Kong epoxy failures” there are exactly Zero items found. Whatever the “grapevine” alleged was apparently not documented online anywhere.

I did, that’s why I asked here…

JasonD · 04-30-2023, 11:07 PM

Only driven my car a few times so far this spring. Still running great! Xport, stock pulley’s, and ethanol is a nice combo, especially with a KingLT1 tune.
Three of my Swedish lifting buddies came to compete with me at the Arnold fitness expo and then came to my house to get a taste of American horsepower. Took them each for a ride. They were a little scared, but absolutely loved it! They’d never experienced anything like it.

KingLT1 · 05-01-2023, 08:54 AM

There were a few failures mentioned on social media. Part of the reason why I hate to even engage in social media groups is because the information gets lost and cannot be found through a search. Either way it's not common and I believe the failures where do to pushing a lot of meth through them.

CamOnlyJabroni · 05-01-2023, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Akura

Here:

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=39

King was right that there were some posts on social media. Not knocking the blower at all just reported what I had heard. Matter of fact I’m sending mine to get X ported once the box shows up. Shifts the torque curve up 5-600rpm which is good IMO. All that torque down low does is blow the tires off and strain the fuel system. Plus on my setup should hit over 900 not even maxing the blower out which is wild.

clg82 · 05-01-2023, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

There were a few failures mentioned on social media. Part of the reason why I hate to even engage in social media groups is because the information gets lost and cannot be found through a search. Either way it's not common and I believe the failures where do to pushing a lot of meth through them.

Aren't you doing the same thing here as social media? Throwing out what you "believe" as "grapevine" type of talk? Without actually knowing what really happened? ^^

KingLT1 · 05-01-2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by clg82

Aren't you doing the same thing here as social media? Throwing out what you "believe" as "grapevine" type of talk? Without actually knowing what really happened? ^^

No not at all because I am not saying there is an issue with Kong X port. I just am reporting where the "grapevine" talk came from and what was mentioned to have "potentially" caused the failure.

CamOnlyJabroni · 05-01-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by clg82

Aren't you doing the same thing here as social media? Throwing out what you "believe" as "grapevine" type of talk? Without actually knowing what really happened? ^^

Believing where it came from and believing it at all are two different things. This is where reading comprehension comes into play.

Z OH 6 · 05-01-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

No not at all because I am not saying there is an issue with Kong X port. I just am reporting where the "grapevine" talk came from and what was mentioned to have "potentially" caused the failure.

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Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni

Believing where it came from and believing it at all are two different things. This is where reading comprehension comes into play.

I saw Jokerz post a pic of an LT4 blower about 2-3 months ago saying something about this is why we don't use epoxy. Apparently the epoxy had failed and he mentioned that it was due to the expansion and contraction of the aluminum in the blower. He did not state where the blower came from but one could infer from his post. To my knowledge this may be the ONLY blower I've seen with epoxy that failed and I don't know any details about the car that it was removed from. I'm inclined to believe that the failure rate is ridiculously low though otherwise Kong's reputation would be mud by now. Granted, I would have rather have seen it welded than epoxied though.

CamOnlyJabroni · 05-01-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I saw Jokerz post a pic of an LT4 blower about 2-3 months ago saying something about this is why we don't use epoxy. Apparently the epoxy had failed and he mentioned that it was due to the expansion and contraction of the aluminum in the blower. He did not state where the blower came from but one could infer from his post. To my knowledge this may be the ONLY blower I've seen with epoxy that failed and I don't know any details about the car that it was removed from. I'm inclined to believe that the failure rate is ridiculously low though otherwise Kong's reputation would be mud by now. Granted, I would have rather have seen it welded than epoxied though.

If that actually happened I would believe it to be more of a chemical breakdown from the car running meth than anything IMO. I was messaging Greg Kong back and forth this morning about the X-Port and he thought for what I was doing with the car should help power wise of course and also help move the efficiency later in the power curve.

JSH · 05-01-2023, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CamOnlyJabroni

I was messaging Greg Kong back and forth this morning about the X-Port ...

He and I also exchanged a few messages. I asked him if he used any epoxy in my 2.65. He said no and asked why I asked. I didn't mention this thread, but his reaction was such that he likely read it. I've had no issues with my X-port or 2650. Unlike most vendors, he's exceptionally good at returning messages.

race24x · 05-01-2023, 10:49 AM

I see a lot of back and forth. I was considering doing the Big Gulp, Kong X porting, 103TB and a 2.3 pulley. I have stock exhaust manifolds cats, but a free flowing muffler forget the brand but the mufflers are almost non existent LOL. Should I consider not doing the pulley? I see some didnt some did... Also I saw a post that included a Spark Plug change. Is this something that is helpful or better? How often should you change these plugs? Do you have to index them? Sorry went from a supercharged SS to the ZL1 and want to Mod some.

04-30-2023, 07:14 PM	#86
JSH Drives: '20 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Mile High Posts: 3,560	[QUOTE=Akura;11311569]Here: [url]https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11310226&postcount=3 Sounds like something a competitor would spread __________________ '20 ZL1 1LE A10, OEM short block, LME heads/valve train, E2650. 100+ octanes, no eth, no meth, no N2O. 2/23 - 1031/1004 wheel. 4/23 - 1.41/9.61/145 at DA 7000 ft. (only made five passes). 2/24 - LME 390, E2650, FBO, 100 oct.; 1116hp/ 1063tq; 109 oct. dyno next.

04-30-2023, 07:23 PM	#87
CW3SF Drives: 2019 Chevy Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Sea level Posts: 1,252 View My Garage	If you google “Kong epoxy failures” there are exactly Zero items found. Whatever the “grapevine” alleged was apparently not documented online anywhere. __________________ Kong Stage X Port, NW103, LPE HPFP, XDI +30 Injectors, ARH Headers, Flex Fuel, JMS Booster, AWE Touring, Elite E2-X CC. Stock heads, stock cam, stock pulleys: Tuned by KingLT1. 740whp Uncorrected on e50

05-01-2023, 08:54 AM	#90
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,800	There were a few failures mentioned on social media. Part of the reason why I hate to even engage in social media groups is because the information gets lost and cannot be found through a search. Either way it's not common and I believe the failures where do to pushing a lot of meth through them. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

05-01-2023, 10:49 AM	#98
race24x Drives: 80 Z28 - 93 Z28 - 14 Camaro SS-RS Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Fayette Maine Posts: 387	I see a lot of back and forth. I was considering doing the Big Gulp, Kong X porting, 103TB and a 2.3 pulley. I have stock exhaust manifolds cats, but a free flowing muffler forget the brand but the mufflers are almost non existent LOL. Should I consider not doing the pulley? I see some didnt some did... Also I saw a post that included a Spark Plug change. Is this something that is helpful or better? How often should you change these plugs? Do you have to index them? Sorry went from a supercharged SS to the ZL1 and want to Mod some. __________________ 1980 Z28 AWSM-Z 1993 Z28 AWSM-Z 2014 2SS AWSM-SS 2018 ZL1 AWSM-Z

04-30-2023, 11:07 PM	#89
JasonD Drives: 2018 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: St Clairsville, Ohio Posts: 48	Only driven my car a few times so far this spring. Still running great! Xport, stock pulley’s, and ethanol is a nice combo, especially with a KingLT1 tune. Three of my Swedish lifting buddies came to compete with me at the Arnold fitness expo and then came to my house to get a taste of American horsepower. Took them each for a ride. They were a little scared, but absolutely loved it! They’d never experienced anything like it.

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