[Bytor62]

I have a 2SS 1LE on order (supposed to be here next week) and have been following this thread. The info below is from the 2019 Camaro Track Preparation Manual. Since the manual specifically mentions Valvoline SynPower, why not use it instead of the Mobil 1? I was going to go to NAPA and get the deal they have now on the Valvoline. Curious as to why spend the extra dollars if the Valvoline is approved.

"Engine Oil
(0W-40 or 5W-40 that meets the dexos2 specification. If this oil is
not available, you can use Valvoline® SynPower MST 5W-40 or
Mobil 1® 15-W-50 engine oil)"

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Bytor62

I have a 2SS 1LE on order (supposed to be here next week) and have been following this thread. The info below is from the 2019 Camaro Track Preparation Manual. Since the manual specifically mentions Valvoline SynPower, why not use it instead of the Mobil 1? I was going to go to NAPA and get the deal they have now on the Valvoline. Curious as to why spend the extra dollars if the Valvoline is approved.

"Engine Oil
(0W-40 or 5W-40 that meets the dexos2 specification. If this oil is
not available, you can use Valvoline® SynPower MST 5W-40 or
Mobil 1® 15-W-50 engine oil)"

Zero reason not to use Valvoline. As a mtter of fact it will provide better protection on warm summer start ups.
Save your money

[jmhinkle]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Zero reason not to use Valvoline. As a mtter of fact it will provide better protection on warm summer start ups.
Save your money

I don't think you understand how oil works. The MST will not provide better protecting on any startups as the mobil covers a wider range. Also, read some tests on the MST on Bitog. It's not well liked and didn't hold up well. There are better oils that don't have the BS dexos label if you think MST is decent for the car.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by jmhinkle

I don't think you understand how oil works. The MST will not provide better protecting on any startups as the mobil covers a wider range. Also, read some tests on the MST on Bitog. It's not well liked and didn't hold up well. There are better oils that don't have the BS dexos label if you think MST is decent for the car.

If you dont understand a benefit of a higher winter start up rating in summer time, then you dont understand how oil works.

Note the car's manual recomments 3 oil grades as authorized for track use: 0w40, 5w40 and 15w50! The last one for track use only and the only oil approved for zl1 1le track use. Please note the 15w cold start up rating here and ponder it for a while.

As far as pro analysis of Valvoline MST...a few have been published here by members after several track days and received top quality results. Personally i dont care if MST were to be "not well liked" by some Bitog blog users named "tomato", or "molycool"...etc.

Dexos2 is not a "BS label". It is what maintains our car's warranty including unrestricted track duty. That's a BIG DEAL to anyone that tracks their cars. Moreover, the purpose of GM's Dexos standard is no different than licensing standards by other OEM like Porsche, BMW, Ferrari, Mercedes, etc.

Cheers!

[The Specialist]

Originally Posted by Z0Tex

Mobil 1. This particular 15W-50 is available at most Walmarts.

https://mobiloil.com/en/viscosity/15w-50

Brother, There isn't even anything close to 15w50 in Mobil 1 at my Wal-Mart.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Bytor62

I have a 2SS 1LE on order (supposed to be here next week) and have been following this thread. The info below is from the 2019 Camaro Track Preparation Manual. Since the manual specifically mentions Valvoline SynPower, why not use it instead of the Mobil 1? I was going to go to NAPA and get the deal they have now on the Valvoline. Curious as to why spend the extra dollars if the Valvoline is approved.

"Engine Oil
(0W-40 or 5W-40 that meets the dexos2 specification. If this oil is
not available, you can use Valvoline® SynPower MST 5W-40 or
Mobil 1® 15-W-50 engine oil)"

So you just spent ~$45k on a sports car, get the best oil + filter, which is M1 0w40 ESP and WIX XP.

There are plenty of reasons M1 ESP is superior, if you don't want to learn all about oil just trust the LT1 engineers and use it.

[Airfuel]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

So you just spent ~$45k on a sports car, get the best oil + filter, which is M1 0w40 ESP and WIX XP.

There are plenty of reasons M1 ESP is superior, if you don't want to learn all about oil just trust the LT1 engineers and use it.

Yup! People bitch about the cost of the most important thing you can do for your car (oil changes) yet spend hundreds and even thousands on silly cosmetic items just to look good.

[Bytor62]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

So you just spent ~$45k on a sports car, get the best oil + filter, which is M1 0w40 ESP and WIX XP.

There are plenty of reasons M1 ESP is superior, if you don't want to learn all about oil just trust the LT1 engineers and use it.

Damn dude, I was just asking a question. Just to make sure, what TP do you use? I use Charmin!

[Bytor62]

Originally Posted by Airfuel

Yup! People bitch about the cost of the most important thing you can do for your car (oil changes) yet spend hundreds and even thousands on silly cosmetic items just to look good.

And I wasn't bitching about price. If it's GM approved, I wanted to know why not to use the Valvoline. Of course I get no help from you or DaveC113.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Bytor62

And I wasn't bitching about price. If it's GM approved, I wanted to know why not to use the Valvoline. Of course I get no help from you or DaveC113.

Lol, Ohhh... I'm soooo sorrrry. Are you going to be ok?


It's not a super-simple question to answer, I can say it's low SAPS but then I have to explain that, etc... If you're really interested check out Bob is the oil guy forum, here and vette forums about the M1 ESP oil and why it's different/better.

Or, if you don't want to learn and simply take someone else's advice, I'd recommend taking GM's advice and ignore everyone else, and run the M1 0w40 ESP.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Bytor62

Damn dude, I was just asking a question. Just to make sure, what TP do you use? I use Charmin!

Charmin is great! Ass fully approved

But seriously: no GM documentation (nor trusty GM engineers) specifically recommend Mobil 1 ANYWHERE.
Not in the Camaro manual and not in the Corvette manual. All that is required is that oil meets Dexos2 GM standard and be of an appropriate grade. And btw Valvoline MST does meet Dexos2 now.

We are all free to use whatever we deem best, based on whatever criteria we choose to apply.

Personally, i go by what official documentation lists as approved, as i am damn sure GM engineers had direct input to all the specs there. Therefore, if they thought it wasnt necessary to specifically list Mobil 1 as a preferred oil, we have other choices - as listed - being equally good. But, that's my logic for my car. And anyone should be free to use their own logic for their own car. Cheers!

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Lol, Ohhh... I'm soooo sorrrry. Are you going to be ok?


It's not a super-simple question to answer, I can say it's low SAPS but then I have to explain that, etc... If you're really interested check out Bob is the oil guy forum, here and vette forums about the M1 ESP oil and why it's different/better.

Or, if you don't want to learn and simply take someone else's advice, I'd recommend taking GM's advice and ignore everyone else, and run the M1 0w40 ESP.

Be careful sir! M1 0w40 esp has been around for a very long time and is not forward compatible to m1 0w40 est DEXOS2, so please dont forget that little bit as it matters a whole lot. Would you have any sources you can share regrding GM's formal advice to use M1 oil? Serious question, as i have not been able to find anything specific from GM. Clearly if such info existed it would have a bearing on my choices. Thanks!

[Bytor62]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Lol, Ohhh... I'm soooo sorrrry. Are you going to be ok?


It's not a super-simple question to answer, I can say it's low SAPS but then I have to explain that, etc... If you're really interested check out Bob is the oil guy forum, here and vette forums about the M1 ESP oil and why it's different/better.

Or, if you don't want to learn and simply take someone else's advice, I'd recommend taking GM's advice and ignore everyone else, and run the M1 0w40 ESP.

Classy! I will leave this thread now. Enjoy!

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Be careful sir! M1 0w40 esp has been around for a very long time and is not forward compatible to m1 0w40 est DEXOS2, so please dont forget that little bit as it matters a whole lot. Would you have any sources you can share regrding GM's formal advice to use M1 oil? Serious question, as i have not been able to find anything specific from GM. Clearly if such info existed it would have a bearing on my choices. Thanks!

Sorry man, you're wrong, the ESP version of M1 0w40 is brand new DEXOS 2 certified oil, you need to do some more research as your info is badly out of date and your previous advice to use Valvoline is bad advice.

There ARE specific recs from GM engineers posted here and on vette forums btw.

Unfortunately I don't have the threads bookmarked, but please...