[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Bottle fed doesn't count...That is a power adder.

Yeah, I’ve never thought of nitrous as a bolt on. Hard to imagine an SBE LT1 hanging on for too long with that. It spikes the cylinder pressure so fast…pretty hard on parts.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Yeah, I’ve never thought of nitrous as a bolt on. Hard to imagine an SBE LT1 hanging on for too long with that. It spikes the cylinder pressure so fast…pretty hard on parts.

Same... it's a power adder just like a Supercharger or Turbo.

[adamjwilson]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

I agree cars have gotten much faster, but these 6th gen SS cars are not running 10's with bolt-ons full weight in street trim. 20 years ago we didn't strip our street cars down to run a track number. We took pride in how the car looked along with how it performed. The lines of what is now considered a street car is heavily skewed. Laynlo showed us just how much of a difference even a full drag pack makes on a car vs the factory wheels. Now remove the seats, drop the exhaust, mower battery, drag brakes, remove aero, lower bumper cover, crash bar, sway bar...etc and you just dropped a second off your 1/4 time vs full weight street trim.

You did not say NA... you stated BOLT-ONs (see above).... nitrous, supercharger, etc.... is bolt-ons (or power adders like you stated)... (lots of camaros out there with nitrous with no issues, but more maintenance and replacing parts when done right. no difference then those SC running 18-25PSI, same deal.) Been there and done that many times on many boats with the whipple. Shit breaks and you fix it and move on.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by adamjwilson

You did not say NA... you stated BOLT-ONs (see above).... nitrous, supercharger, etc.... is bolt-ons (or power adders like you stated)... (lots of camaros out there with nitrous with no issues, but more maintenance and replacing parts when done right. no difference then those SC running 18-25PSI, same deal.) Been there and done that many times on many boats with the whipple. Shit breaks and you fix it and move on.

The term "bolt-on" only has never included power adders. Go look up the fast lists. The bolt-on class does not include power adders.

Not sure why you are preaching to me about the maintenance and reliability of Nitrous...I didn't say anything negative about it.

I would never claim you couldn't get into the 10's with bolt-ons and a power adder in street trim. My car does it easily. I was simply replying to Anthamax post about "bolt-on" cars which I am pretty sure he meant NA stuff...as most of would that have been around the car scene and forums for the last 20 years.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by adamjwilson

To elaborate further, a bolt-on part means that you can simply remove an existing car part (or it can also be installed to compliment another part), and then install the aftermarket bolt-on one.

In an effort to get this back on track, I’ll ask the question: Since you’ve laid out the definition of a “bolt-on”, what OEM part are you removing to “bolt-on” a nitrous kit…?

[adamjwilson]

(or it can be also be installed to compliment another part) is what was said. Personally, I would not add a bottle, but that is a personal choice from experience of replacing too much stuff over the years, but to each his own. I know alot of guys like the bottle, but to each his own.

It’s quite difficult to point out exactly what a bolt-on part is and what constitutes a bolt-on. A turbocharger or supercharger is technically a bolt-on – you can bolt it onto the engine. But it’s not a “true” bolt-on since it requires more know-how and ideally some tuning and possibly some internal upgrades to the engine for it to work properly at higher boost. Honest, it doesn’t really matter what it means. Most car guys/enthusiasts have differing opinions on what constitutes a bolt-on. I was just putting out a simple explanation and definition of what it is.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by adamjwilson

I said TECHNICALLY a bolt on, but not a true bolt on due to the tuning...

So, headers need tuning on a Gen6 Camaro. So now headers aren’t a “bolt-on”? This conversation is so off topic it’s crazy.

Also, the name calling drama needs to stop. You can disagree and still be a contributing member of the forum.

[KingLT1]

If "power adders" were considered a bolt-on then you would see them in the fastest "bolt-on" car list but they are not because like you said they are not a true bolt-on.

Here is the list that coincides with what I am saying.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427506

[adamjwilson]

And your basis is from a forum post back in 2015? that references Camaros 2016+ newer? (Merc set the parameters)
Pretty cool idea though if it was updated to 2022 or newer to see real times and slips.

[adamjwilson]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

So, headers need tuning on a Gen6 Camaro. So now headers aren’t a “bolt-on”? This conversation is so off topic it’s crazy.

Also, the name calling drama needs to stop. You can disagree and still be a contributing member of the forum.

You can Google what a true 'bolt on' and get the meaning from "experts" in the field, and typically any tuning discludes the bolt on, so headers would not be a 'true' bolt on if you had it tuned. Like I said earlier, most car guys/enthusiasts have differing opinions on what constitutes a bolt-on. Agree or disagree... everyone has an opinion.

[KingLT1]

It says "Official 6th gen Camaro 1/4 mi Fast list". That was the updated list for the 6th gen Camaro. It was kept current until 2021. If you read through the posts the time slips are provided. Either way that is just one example that supports my point.

All that being said, I would never say a Bolt-on power adder 6th gen Camaro couldn't run 10's full weight in street trim because I have about 10+ draggy 1/4 mi passes all in the Mid 10 second range full weight on 20" wheels with a soft 1.8 60ft. 10.54 @ 136 is my best as the car sits in picture. I have seen many cars do it aside from mine. It's no unicorn, runs as it should for the mods and weight.

I thought most knew when saying "bolt-on only" it was trivial that means exclusively NA cars with no internal or power adder modifications. I would bet a blue bill 9/10 that read through this mess would agree.

[radz28]

N2O is NOT a bolt-on, and I've NEVER seen it accepted as such.

Is that a PLM HE?

[NYblack1le]

Originally Posted by adamjwilson

You can Google what a true 'bolt on' and get the meaning from "experts" in the field, and typically any tuning discludes the bolt on, so headers would not be a 'true' bolt on if you had it tuned. Like I said earlier, most car guys/enthusiasts have differing opinions on what constitutes a bolt-on. Agree or disagree... everyone has an opinion.

This sounds like something I would read in the YouTube comment section. We don’t need google to tell us what is considered bolt on. It has been well established over the years what is bolt on and what isn’t.