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Old 08-15-2019, 09:52 AM   #547
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Well now that pricing is out folks may reconsider buying a ZL1 for $10k less than a LT2 with Z51 and FE4 for $74,190. To get the alcantara interior you have to go to LT3 which is another $4,700... $78,890. That's a hefty premium for a ME vette with 155 less horsepower.

Base car: $59,995
LT2: $67,295
LT3: $71,945

Add Z51: $5,000
Add FE4 MRC: $1,895
Add NPP exhaust (inc. w/ Z51): $1,195
Add E60 front end lift system: $1,495
The price is right where most expected it to be. Fully option C7 Z51 3LT are 79k range. The 155hp at the crank will be less difference to the wheels. C8 is 300+ lbs lighter. That being said a lightly used ZL1 in the low 50's is still a bargain.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:03 AM   #548
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The price is right where most expected it to be. Fully option C7 Z51 3LT are 79k range. The 155hp at the crank will be less difference to the wheels. C8 is 300+ lbs lighter. That being said a lightly used ZL1 in the low 50's is still a bargain.
Agreed. This seems pretty close to what I was expecting. Z51 at $5k is a good deal - I thought it might be $7500. I think the best value C8 is a base 1LT with performance exhaust a la carte. That's about $61500, which is a hell of a lot of car for the money. I'd take that over a ZL1.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:28 AM   #549
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Says performance exhaust = NPP, nothing about "headers" on the Z51... somebody make that up?

Nowhere on the Z51 does it say the trans will have a different gear ratio.

As I stated 300 posts ago, most of this 0 -60 is because of tire. I have to admit $5,000 is not a big reach, but I would save that form my supercharger upgrade. Base Vette for me. It is too bad I'm such a skin flint aka cheap and lazy. I'll wait a few years. It I was a yonger man, I'd already have ordered one.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:39 AM   #550
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I’d like to see how the dct handles a supercharger and that ecm is not cheap to tune yet. I guess we gotta start somewhere.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:57 AM   #551
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I’d like to see how the dct handles a supercharger and that ecm is not cheap to tune yet. I guess we gotta start somewhere.
ECM may never be tuneable due to encryption... car may require a standalone. Either way it's not going to be cheap and it could be along time before any mods are possible without spending big $.

Prices seem about as-expected.

LT2 having PDR and HUD isn't cool though, those should be Z51 options and Z51 + LT2 + Magride is expensive, might as well just get LT3 at that point and spend $80k on a fully loaded C8.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:02 PM   #552
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In 2 years I should be able to pass bus duties off to the middle son. By then GM should have one available with a supercharger and hopefully they will have come to their senses and made MT an option. Until then I need my 1LE to get three kids to school every morning.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:05 PM   #553
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Says performance exhaust = NPP, nothing about "headers" on the Z51... somebody make that up?

Nowhere on the Z51 does it say the trans will have a different gear ratio.

As I stated 300 posts ago, most of this 0 -60 is because of tire. I have to admit $5,000 is not a big reach, but I would save that form my supercharger upgrade. Base Vette for me. It is too bad I'm such a skin flint aka cheap and lazy. I'll wait a few years. It I was a yonger man, I'd already have ordered one.
A base C8 with Z51 option is 65k. Read the Z51 included goodies, "gear ratio specific", that means a 3.80 rear gear versus a 3.62 in the base car. All the LT2 corvette engines will have tubular headers. The gear and the MPSS4S tire allows the car to 0-60 in under 3.0 sec.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:18 PM   #554
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Well now that pricing is out folks may reconsider buying a ZL1 for $10k less than a LT2 with Z51 and FE4 for $74,190. To get the alcantara interior you have to go to LT3 which is another $4,700... $78,890. That's a hefty premium for a ME vette with 155 less horsepower.

Base car: $59,995
LT2: $67,295
LT3: $71,945

Add Z51: $5,000
Add FE4 MRC: $1,895
Add NPP exhaust (inc. w/ Z51): $1,195
Add E60 front end lift system: $1,495
Well,you can get a base C8 with the Z51 package for 65k. What that car will do to a ZL1 will be embarrassing in any contest and study the total contents of that car and that will also make the ZL1 blush. For 65k, I would not even look at a used ZL1. No need for the 2LT, 3LT, buy it for the same money as a base ZL1. The value of the C8 not many expected to be this good, but Corvette said from the beginning , the C8 will be as affordable as the C7.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:34 PM   #555
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The price is right where most expected it to be. Fully option C7 Z51 3LT are 79k range. The 155hp at the crank will be less difference to the wheels. C8 is 300+ lbs lighter. That being said a lightly used ZL1 in the low 50's is still a bargain.
The base C8 is about 400 lbs lighter than a automatic ZL1 and most people did not think a Base C8 would be under 60K which includes destination. Not what everyone was expecting at all.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:46 PM   #556
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The base C8 is about 400 lbs lighter than a automatic ZL1 and most people did not think a Base C8 would be under 60K which includes destination. Not what everyone was expecting at all.
I remember lots of people saying the C8 was going upmarket and going to be 6 figure car lol
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:51 PM   #557
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Says performance exhaust = NPP, nothing about "headers" on the Z51... somebody make that up?

Nowhere on the Z51 does it say the trans will have a different gear ratio.

As I stated 300 posts ago, most of this 0 -60 is because of tire. I have to admit $5,000 is not a big reach, but I would save that form my supercharger upgrade. Base Vette for me. It is too bad I'm such a skin flint aka cheap and lazy. I'll wait a few years. It I was a yonger man, I'd already have ordered one.
Chevy has stated multiple times, and does right now when you click the info icon on the Z51 package, that it includes a different FD. That's been known since the reveal they did on 7/18 so I don't understand why you continue to debate it..

Now the header difference.. that was probably made up.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:53 PM   #558
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ECM may never be tuneable due to encryption... car may require a standalone. Either way it's not going to be cheap and it could be along time before any mods are possible without spending big $.

Prices seem about as-expected.

LT2 having PDR and HUD isn't cool though, those should be Z51 options and Z51 + LT2 + Magride is expensive, might as well just get LT3 at that point and spend $80k on a fully loaded C8.
But that extra stuff is interior fluff.

I think my spec is around 78 already though and that's just LT2.. but with comp seats, z51, mrc/ptm, front end lift.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:55 PM   #559
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Well,you can get a base C8 with the Z51 package for 65k. What that car will do to a ZL1 will be embarrassing in any contest and study the total contents of that car and that will also make the ZL1 blush. For 65k, I would not even look at a used ZL1. No need for the 2LT, 3LT, buy it for the same money as a base ZL1. The value of the C8 not many expected to be this good, but Corvette said from the beginning , the C8 will be as affordable as the C7.
We don't know that yet outside of 0-60. At least I've seen literally zero published track times for this car, let alone ones done by the same driver at the same track.

ZL1 vs "base" C8 is going to come down to buyer preferences (ie if ZL1 is the faster track car until better C8s come out, track guys will still want the ZL1, people buying a street car might want the C8 more, etc).
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Old 08-15-2019, 01:17 PM   #560
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I remember lots of people saying the C8 was going upmarket and going to be 6 figure car lol
Yes, I remember that also, many people saying the C8 was going to be in the 6 fiqures, All of the info available at least 6 months before the reveal indicated a affordable C8 just like the affordable C7.
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