[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I've been seeing a lot of the non-Rs going for around the same price as a 5th Gen ZL1. Like high $30K to low $40K for a 16 GT350. A used R is in the same price range as a used ZL1. And a new R is right at MSRP. I mean, so much for all that talk about how much value they retain. They're losing value just like the ZL1s and Hellcats, lol!! Probably because there are soo many options these days. But in any case, you can get one real cheap now.

Actually, I’m seeing something that is VERY interesting. I’m seeing 2018 non-R GT350s going from MSRP to $4k under MSRP and 2019 non-R with an “asking price” of $119,900. Two of them. From the same dealer though, so it could just be that the one dealer is delusional.

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...28880&zc=48224

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I've been seeing a lot of the non-Rs going for around the same price as a 5th Gen ZL1. Like high $30K to low $40K for a 16 GT350. A used R is in the same price range as a used ZL1. And a new R is right at MSRP. I mean, so much for all that talk about how much value they retain. They're losing value just like the ZL1s and Hellcats, lol!! Probably because there are soo many options these days. But in any case, you can get one real cheap now.

Maybe 16 350s w/out track pack for those prices or high mileage. Everything decent I see is in the mid to low 50s, Rs are still 60s, still to high for me give it another year or so.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Maybe 16 350s w/out track pack for those prices or high mileage. Everything decent I see is in the mid to low 50s, Rs are still 60s, still to high for me give it another year or so.

I'm not sure about track packs or any of that stuff. But there are lots of Rs in the low 50s. 60s is brand new these days and I'm not seeing markups. Some of the non-Rs are 30s to 40s like I said. And they range from around 5K miles to 40K miles. They are not unattainable at all these days. Those values dropped.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm not sure about track packs or any of that stuff. But there are lots of Rs in the low 50s. 60s is brand new these days and I'm not seeing markups. Some of the non-Rs are 30s to 40s like I said. And they range from around 5K miles to 40K miles. They are not unattainable at all these days. Those values dropped.

Acceptable mileage for a car like a GT350 I would consider maybe 3500 miles a year it shouldn't be a daily driver IMO. My target would be 2017 or later as TP is standard. The prices are high 40s to mid 50s. There are no 30s unless there is an underlying reason, if there were I would be all over it as many others would as well.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Acceptable mileage for a car like a GT350 I would consider maybe 3500 miles a year it shouldn't be a daily driver IMO. My target would be 2017 or later as TP is standard. The prices are high 40s to mid 50s. There are no 30s unless there is an underlying reason, if there were I would be all over it as many others would as well.

That's funny. Because I thought they praised the GT350 as being a much better DD than the ZL1. And lots of us DD our ZL1s even in Winter. I know I do. Lots of us put well over 3500 miles a year on our ZL1s too. So are you saying you personally wouldn't put that many miles on one or are you saying you're worried about the reliability of the car with that many miles? Or would you want a low mileage one to use as a collector piece?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Acceptable mileage for a car like a GT350 I would consider maybe 3500 miles a year it shouldn't be a daily driver IMO. My target would be 2017 or later as TP is standard. The prices are high 40s to mid 50s. There are no 30s unless there is an underlying reason, if there were I would be all over it as many others would as well.

Once the warranties have expired I’d expect to see downward movement on the price.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Once the warranties have expired I’d expect to see downward movement on the price.

The values have already started to drop. Even low mileage examples are right where used ZL1s are. Non-Rs are around the price of 5th Gen ZL1s. They will drop even more once people realize that those engines are expensive and you need an extended warranty with the car.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Once the warranties have expired I’d expect to see downward movement on the price.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The values have already started to drop. Even low mileage examples are right where used ZL1s are. Non-Rs are around the price of 5th Gen ZL1s. They will drop even more once people realize that those engines are expensive and you need an extended warranty with the car.

I think this will prove to be the pin in the grenade. The Voodoo engine is an awesome engine. Until you start tracking oil consumption or have to repair it.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I think this will prove to be the pin in the grenade. The Voodoo engine is an awesome engine. Until you start tracking oil consumption or have to repair it.

I don't even think it is all that awesome. For the time it showed it, and in comparison to the competition and the price point of all the cars on this level, it was severely underpowered, underwhelming, problem riddled, etc. And it couldn't even propel the GT350 much faster than the SS despite the difference in HP. I think people flocked to it because they thought it would perform better than it was able to. But that died with the H2H against the ZL1, lol!! And now you've got mega HP options from GM and FCA while Ford is STILL behind the game. And even amongst the Ford fans they'd all prefer the PP2 or GT over the GT30 at this point. It's sad really but I think the standard GT350 will tank in value while the R will maintain some value probably on par with the ZL1. Considering that people paid ADMs for the R I'd say it was probably the worst performance car buy in a very long time, lol!!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

That's funny. Because I thought they praised the GT350 as being a much better DD than the ZL1. And lots of us DD our ZL1s even in Winter. I know I do. Lots of us put well over 3500 miles a year on our ZL1s too. So are you saying you personally wouldn't put that many miles on one or are you saying you're worried about the reliability of the car with that many miles? Or would you want a low mileage one to use as a collector piece?

Funny from the reviews I read or watched they all mention the ZL1 being much more docile and the 350 high strung.I have 11000 miles on my Boss, it's a toy not a daily driver for me. I would expect similar mileage, condition, and usage on any used performance car I would consider purchasing. My DD is a 2015 Ram with 71000 miles on it.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Funny from the reviews I read or watched they all mention the ZL1 being much more docile and the 350 high strung.I have 11000 miles on my Boss, it's a toy not a daily driver for me. I would expect similar mileage, condition, and usage on any used performance car I would consider purchasing. My DD is a 2015 Ram with 71000 miles on it.

So the ZL1 is more docile, better as a DD, better reliability, faster in the quarter mile, faster around a track, has more options, AND is cheaper than the 350R, lol!! Ok I see your point. If I were you I wouldn't buy a R either unless I could get one with low miles for dirt cheap. I can agree that they're a bit overpriced considering all that.

[joe944]

Yeah but there's a video of a guy in a 350r passing a ZL1 1LE so now they all think it's faster.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So the ZL1 is more docile, better as a DD, better reliability, faster in the quarter mile, faster around a track, has more options, AND is cheaper than the 350R, lol!! Ok I see your point. If I were you I wouldn't buy a R either unless I could get one with low miles for dirt cheap. I can agree that they're a bit overpriced considering all that.

Well with a 125 hp and 200 lbs of torque advantage the ZL1 better be faster. Even though it was barely faster in the H2H, same day same driver comparison. We will find out how good it is when there is a Mustang with similar power to challenge it.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Well with a 125 hp and 200 lbs of torque advantage the ZL1 better be faster. Even though it was barely faster in the H2H, same day same driver comparison. We will find out how good it is when there is a Mustang with similar power to challenge it.

The lighter, NA track specific car is supposed to win. Not the heavy grand touring version (there is a track focused ZL1 1LE after all).

See how the massive power to weight advantage worked for Ford in gen5.