06-11-2020, 01:04 AM | #1 |
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Has anyone experienced brake failure on 1LE?
And if so, has the root cause of a problem been positively identified by a dealer? Interested in feedback as ive heard (second hand) of a failure recently on a 2020my model. I have no details and i am asking this question as a general inquiry only.
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06-11-2020, 03:43 AM | #2 |
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This Ice mode or something more sinister?
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06-11-2020, 11:01 AM | #4 |
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Referring to comments in BMR thread in Road Course section. Perhaps the same event? Is there a thread posted on this specifically? Thx!
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06-11-2020, 11:24 AM | #5 |
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Yes this is the same event with Sam Strano
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06-11-2020, 11:32 AM | #6 |
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06-11-2020, 12:23 PM | #7 |
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No i've only seen it in the FB groups
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06-11-2020, 12:31 PM | #8 |
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Has he, or others, offered any clues as to causes and effects? From the limited info I could find seems he had already started modding incl torque arm etc. Previous posts seem to involve ABS module going nuts, but i dont have a clear picture even remotely. Also, he started tracking the car before full break in process, but again, no idea here either. Cheers!
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This isn't my business, but it's already out there and because it is something related to safety, I think it is something that should be brought up. Especially if there are others out there that have witnessed what Sam Strano has; it would be important for those individuals to get with Sam.
So, first off, I think it needs to be clear... THIS IS NOT AN ICE MODE DISCUSSION The subject of this thread, as TrackClub posted, is the same of the topic in the FaceBook "1LER" group. For those not in that group/don't have much activity on FaceBook, here is the information: Quote:
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Keeping in mind that he is likely going through the procedures with his track warranty and GM; it would be great if people refrained from asking him a bunch of questions. I am sure he will give an update once his predicament is settled out. What I can say, is that this seems to be something very, very, very rare... I certainly have never heard of this, nor have I witnessed it (and I hope I and anyone else never does). Last edited by Mountain; 06-11-2020 at 01:11 PM. |
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06-11-2020, 05:30 PM | #11 |
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One thing that's either good or bad about modern cars (depending on circumstances) is that the modules will probably have stored a lot of data that would help GM figure out what happened.
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06-11-2020, 09:33 PM | #12 |
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Well Sam's theory is either a brake line busted, or master cylinder failed. Those would be two easiest (and logical) theories anyway. But, who knows, there might be other causes as well depending on to what extend electronics can play a role (if they do).
I think there was at least one other case of pedal to the floor reported in the old thread. Some offeres a sticky vacuum valve as a potential cause. But frankly this is completely over my head. Given early failures were reported going back to 2016 cars, if it was a systemic issue GM would have surely fixed it by now. An interesting aspect of Sam's accident was that a wheel came off ripping a brake line with it. That's highly unusual imo. It would be interesting to know if it was a stock wheel or not. He appeared to have been testing different tires on different rims. It would also be interesting to know what else came off with the wheel and whether the latter was in one piece, or not. And obviously when did it come off. Lots of possible dots to connect here. Bottom line, i am glad he is fine. Testament of Camaros safety for damn sure. But also a troubling issue not really knowing for sure what happened and why. |
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Pedals going to the floor would mean a loss of brake fluid or ingestion of air into the system (air could have already been there hiding in a bubble). Brakes just don't do these things for no reason.
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06-11-2020, 11:49 PM | #14 | |
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Could be a catastrophic line failure (various reasons possible here) Could be an MC fault Could be a caliper falling out Could be electronics if they play a role (dont know) Could be a wheel falling off Etc. We need a GM engineer to list possible causes and then try to match the most probable one to the actual situation. The one i dont understand is a wheel being ripped off and taking a brake line with it. Unless a whole hub came apart. |
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