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flipstyledsm22 · 09-20-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by acammer

Off the clutch and right to the foot-brake - as long as you stage really shallow into the water that'll work just fine. Street tires don't like too much heat anyways, just clean 'em up good is about all I ever do.

Ha! You beat me to it!

acammer · 09-20-2016, 01:29 PM

I just realized your in Rochester - what track? I was at NYIRP Friday night. That's where I used to run my Camaro. I'd definitely ask them again about a factory stock 'vert - they may be ok with it if it's stock-ish. If you're looking for somebody to go down with some time let me know, I might try to make another trip this year, it's a 90 minute drive for me from Weedsport.

With regards to the burnout - if it's automatic it's really easy, just like flipstyledsm22 said, you can hold it right there with the footbrake and create as much smoke as you want.

samman11 · 09-20-2016, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by acammer

I just realized your in Rochester - what track? I was at NYIRP Friday night. That's where I used to run my Camaro. I'd definitely ask them again about a factory stock 'vert - they may be ok with it if it's stock-ish. If you're looking for somebody to go down with some time let me know, I might try to make another trip this year, it's a 90 minute drive for me from Weedsport.

With regards to the burnout - if it's automatic it's really easy, just like flipstyledsm22 said, you can hold it right there with the footbrake and create as much smoke as you want.

Empire Dragway in Leicester ny. I have a manual SS. So, in 1st gear, rear tires on wet area, foot off clutch, breaking with left foot, right on gas. Oh God. I'm lost. I'm either stalling or killing someone. No way, someone has to show me this. IN the car with me. I'll wear a diaper.

acammer · 09-20-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by samman11

Empire Dragway in Leicester ny. I have a manual SS. So, in 1st gear, rear tires on wet area, foot off clutch, breaking with left foot, right on gas. Oh God. I'm lost. I'm either stalling or killing someone. No way, someone has to show me this. IN the car with me. I'll wear a diaper.

Empire Dragway = NYIRP (New York International Raceway Park). Should have seen me make a few passes, best was a 12.79 - here is the thread.

I'd be happy to show you a brake stand some time, you have the right idea. Initiate the burnout, then move from the clutch to the brake with your left foot. It takes a little practice, but it's really not that hard. Here is an old video of me slaying some tires in the previously mentioned Z/28 Vert using the technique described. I rolled ahead quite a bit there, but I was just playing around, if you get to the brake more aggressively you can pretty much hold your position with 1-2' of rollout.

Honestly, at the track, I don't use any brake at all. If you go to the thread I linked to you'll see me spin the tires on the way out of the water box enough to clean them up and put just a touch of heat to them. You can hear in the video I'm just burping the throttle to keep them going, I could easily grab the brake and hold the car if I wanted, just wasn't trying for that much heat.

Mkn95u0 · 09-20-2016, 01:52 PM

if you ask for permission, they will cite the book. 13.49 and quicker requires roll bar for verts.

if you show up and tell tech you've never been or hoping to break 14's, they'll let you run once if you hit under 13.5 then they normally warn you. you can continue to practice launches and technique, just let off at the end if you're going to break 13.5..

most tracks will just continue to warn you if you're right around the marker. but if you ask them in an e-mail they don't know if it is an audit, they will respond with by the book standards. ON paper a vert does 13.5 or quicker, in person could change.

i say, go out there and give it a try, if you're around 13.5 on your first pass let them warn you then let off near the finish next runs. you can get a pretty usable calculation from the 1/8th time & trap speed.

TangoMike · 09-20-2016, 02:14 PM

Tracks are different. And they are independent. That means they don't have to adhere strictly to NHRA (or whatever association) guidelines. And those guidelines are minimums, although it's usually easier to just keep the same rules in place all the time. Your track requires a roll bar. My track requires helmets on all drivers and passengers even though it's not required unless you run a certain time. They may also be based on the tracks insurance which could want safety gear for everyone.

I do agree that you should just show up and they'll probably let you ride. My first "tech" was asking me if I did anything to the car. I said no, and he told me to go ahead. Didn't check anything. My last one was "pop the hood and start the car."
Only checking to see if my battery was secured. Which is strange because my battery is in the trunk. But the point is that you're running stock, you're likely not to do anything horrible.

If you do decide to race, start normal, then after you get the general idea play around with different things. I started with all nannies on and my reaction time was .600-.700 (with .000 being perfect at my track) turned TC off and it immediately dropped my reaction time by more than half. I got a best of .125.

Just be careful, you'll see what you run, then see something unexpected blow you away (my case it was a daily driver chevy truck. A work truck. Running less than 10 seconds.) And you'll want to spend even more money making your car faster. Oh, and there's that whole wanting to win thing as well.

flipstyledsm22 · 09-20-2016, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkn95u0

if you ask for permission, they will cite the book. 13.49 and quicker requires roll bar for verts.

if you show up and tell tech you've never been or hoping to break 14's, they'll let you run once if you hit under 13.5 then they normally warn you. you can continue to practice launches and technique, just let off at the end if you're going to break 13.5..

most tracks will just continue to warn you if you're right around the marker. but if you ask them in an e-mail they don't know if it is an audit, they will respond with by the book standards. ON paper a vert does 13.5 or quicker, in person could change.

i say, go out there and give it a try, if you're around 13.5 on your first pass let them warn you then let off near the finish next runs. you can get a pretty usable calculation from the 1/8th time & trap speed.

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2012OrangeVert · 09-20-2016, 10:05 PM

2 more things. I checked at my track and if you run less than 13.5 in a vert you need a roll bar. I ran a best of 13.6. Also if you are that inexperienced with the manual I bet you won't break the 13.5 . At my track you can race until you hit the mark where you are too fast. Then they tell you to slow it down, or go home and put a roll bar on it.

09-20-2016, 01:29 PM	#16
acammer GPI Sales Consultant Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS SGM Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Weedsport, NY Posts: 2,794 View My Garage	I just realized your in Rochester - what track? I was at NYIRP Friday night. That's where I used to run my Camaro. I'd definitely ask them again about a factory stock 'vert - they may be ok with it if it's stock-ish. If you're looking for somebody to go down with some time let me know, I might try to make another trip this year, it's a 90 minute drive for me from Weedsport. With regards to the burnout - if it's automatic it's really easy, just like flipstyledsm22 said, you can hold it right there with the footbrake and create as much smoke as you want. __________________ GPI Max Package 2.0: Brodix BR7 heads/GPI porting, MAX3 cam, ST2116LSR, BSR Max Lift rockers, LS7 LSXR with 103mm TB, Vararam OTR, Mcleod RXT, G-Force/Strange 9" IRS setup with 4.63 gear. 551whp, 11.1@124mph. *Got a question about a GPI product? Feel free to shoot me a message!*

09-20-2016, 01:52 PM	#19
Mkn95u0 Drives: 2012 IBM L99 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern California Posts: 484 View My Garage	if you ask for permission, they will cite the book. 13.49 and quicker requires roll bar for verts. if you show up and tell tech you've never been or hoping to break 14's, they'll let you run once if you hit under 13.5 then they normally warn you. you can continue to practice launches and technique, just let off at the end if you're going to break 13.5.. most tracks will just continue to warn you if you're right around the marker. but if you ask them in an e-mail they don't know if it is an audit, they will respond with by the book standards. ON paper a vert does 13.5 or quicker, in person could change. i say, go out there and give it a try, if you're around 13.5 on your first pass let them warn you then let off near the finish next runs. you can get a pretty usable calculation from the 1/8th time & trap speed. __________________ Robert 12.012 @ 115.75mph DA: 2371 \| 486rwhp/467rwtq (11/8/2015)M 11.265 @ 123.55mph DA: 2318 \| 526rwhp/532rwtq (11/19/2016)M 10.722 @ 132.21mph DA: 850 \| 645rwhp/581rwtq (12/3/2017)M 10.609 @ 130.19 DA: 975 \| 675rwhp/629rwtq (2/16/2020)D Build: E-Force w/ 3.25" pulley (11lbs of boost), 10% OD under pulley, Fore Dual Fuel System, ID850's, AEM CAI, Borla Long Tubes, Flowmaster Super 10's, Circle D 3200 converter 258mm triple disc lockup, cam 226/242 116+4 LSA, ZL-1 Rear end, E85 & BRC Raceworks Tune (previously known as CMS) Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/RobertMitchellRCM

09-20-2016, 02:14 PM	#20
TangoMike Drives: 2012 2ls RS V6 Auto Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Southern Alberta Posts: 86	Tracks are different. And they are independent. That means they don't have to adhere strictly to NHRA (or whatever association) guidelines. And those guidelines are minimums, although it's usually easier to just keep the same rules in place all the time. Your track requires a roll bar. My track requires helmets on all drivers and passengers even though it's not required unless you run a certain time. They may also be based on the tracks insurance which could want safety gear for everyone. I do agree that you should just show up and they'll probably let you ride. My first "tech" was asking me if I did anything to the car. I said no, and he told me to go ahead. Didn't check anything. My last one was "pop the hood and start the car." Only checking to see if my battery was secured. Which is strange because my battery is in the trunk. But the point is that you're running stock, you're likely not to do anything horrible. If you do decide to race, start normal, then after you get the general idea play around with different things. I started with all nannies on and my reaction time was .600-.700 (with .000 being perfect at my track) turned TC off and it immediately dropped my reaction time by more than half. I got a best of .125. Just be careful, you'll see what you run, then see something unexpected blow you away (my case it was a daily driver chevy truck. A work truck. Running less than 10 seconds.) And you'll want to spend even more money making your car faster. Oh, and there's that whole wanting to win thing as well.

09-20-2016, 10:05 PM	#22
2012OrangeVert Drives: 2012 Orange 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: May 2016 Location: Saint Louis, Mo. Posts: 227 View My Garage	2 more things. I checked at my track and if you run less than 13.5 in a vert you need a roll bar. I ran a best of 13.6. Also if you are that inexperienced with the manual I bet you won't break the 13.5 . At my track you can race until you hit the mark where you are too fast. Then they tell you to slow it down, or go home and put a roll bar on it.