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Old 09-23-2023, 11:44 AM   #1
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Procharger vs. Head work and Cam Etc.

Hello, I'm about to spend at least 9K on a P-1SC-1 Procharger Supercharger on
my A10 2021 LT1 with factory air box.
Before I pull the trigger I want to hear from you guys cuz I try to educate myself but the more I do the more indecisive as to which direction I want to
go.

So if I instead went heads & cam pkg., cat-back exhaust, headers, cold air intake, better intake Etc. would that be a more logical direction both financially and gains
in performance. Do you have to beef up the internals with a P. Charger?

Anyway would appreciate the knowledgeable insights immensely.

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Old 09-23-2023, 12:21 PM   #2
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Hello, I'm about to spend at least 9K on a P-1SC-1 Procharger Supercharger on
my A10 2021 LT1 with factory air box.
Before I pull the trigger I want to hear from you guys cuz I try to educate myself but the more I do the more indecisive as to which direction I want to
go.

So if I instead went heads & cam pkg., cat-back exhaust, headers, cold air intake, better intake Etc. would that be a more logical direction both financially and gains
in performance. Do you have to beef up the internals with a P. Charger?

Anyway would appreciate the knowledgeable insights immensely.

Thanks
Best thing you can do is come up with a real power goal for your car. It all starts there.

Going forced induction is the only way to big power but will require a good amount of work and money.
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Old 09-23-2023, 01:56 PM   #3
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Hello, I'm about to spend at least 9K on a P-1SC-1 Procharger Supercharger on
my A10 2021 LT1 with factory air box.
Before I pull the trigger I want to hear from you guys cuz I try to educate myself but the more I do the more indecisive as to which direction I want to
go.

So if I instead went heads & cam pkg., cat-back exhaust, headers, cold air intake, better intake Etc. would that be a more logical direction both financially and gains
in performance. Do you have to beef up the internals with a P. Charger?

Anyway would appreciate the knowledgeable insights immensely.

Thanks
Just so you're aware the factory air box loses about 35 whp or 2 psi from the normal setup. At least that's what procharger advised me but over all I love the setup. Can't really tell the difference if you ask me so its a wise choice. As far as the decision I went the route that you're looking at going and with the fueling I was able to exceed my goal which was 600whp.
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Old 09-23-2023, 03:08 PM   #4
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Hello, I'm about to spend at least 9K on a P-1SC-1 Procharger Supercharger on
my A10 2021 LT1 with factory air box.
Before I pull the trigger I want to hear from you guys cuz I try to educate myself but the more I do the more indecisive as to which direction I want to
go.

So if I instead went heads & cam pkg., cat-back exhaust, headers, cold air intake, better intake Etc. would that be a more logical direction both financially and gains
in performance. Do you have to beef up the internals with a P. Charger?

Anyway would appreciate the knowledgeable insights immensely.

Thanks
I prefer NA but being honest, Boost is cheaper and more practical.
You can install the procharger kit, and if you're selling the car, you can remove it and resell the kit. It still retains value.

On the other hand, built cars with FBO are hard to switch back to stock form, and the parts aren't worth much after.

From a distance NA seems to be cheaper but it isn't at the end.
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Old 09-24-2023, 06:46 AM   #5
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Alright!, thanks for all the useful insight which does help me decide on which
applications I will pursue.

So I am on Y.tube for this particular content and a shop in Delaware called
Race Proven Motorsports with a Heads & Cam pkg. and the tuner test driving
the Camaro with said Pkg. but also did a Drop-In rods & pistons stating how stock R.& Pist. suck on the LT1 motor.
I want to go ahead with the P-1SC-1 but I will surely end up rolling with that
advise B4 any boost. These guys have people transporting their Camaro from
out of state to do the work and they know what they are doing at that shop.

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Old 09-24-2023, 07:39 AM   #6
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You’re in New England so I’d talk to Ted janetty. You wouldn’t be giving up anything compared to rpm and it would be within driving distance for you.

If you’re going to ship the car I’d go to pray if you’re going for all out straight line performance or katech for a complete package(and good resale of your car)

You don’t need rods and pistons if you’re staying NA.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:09 AM   #7
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Let me second the suggestion to contact Jannetty Racing instead, consider yourself lucky that you can just drive over to Waterbury, CT in an hour and a half or so.

I'm sure RPM are very capable, but they come off as absolute dicks in their videos, while Ted and his crew are just as experienced but actually know what customer service is. Oh, and they built my car that has been running 100% flawlessly ever since the last touch made in 2021.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:17 AM   #8
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If you’re digging into the short block I’d go boost without a doubt. If you’re boosting you should really forge the pistons and open the ring gap.

The main reasons for me to go heads cam is to only touch the top of the motor and keep weight off the nose.
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Old 09-24-2023, 08:54 AM   #9
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If you are willing to upgrade the fuel system and run at least E50, go with the Procharger. That can get you a 135+ mph car in the 1/4 with stock drivability and don't need to hack the car up. The LT1 just like the old LS1 will handle some boost on E85. They are not nearly as tolerant on pump gas. If you want to run pump gas, then go lower compression forged pistons.

My car for example. Stock motor, Whipple @ 10psi, upgraded fuel system, E60, full weight, still on 20" wheels with a 555r2 tire. Dragys consistent 10.5 @ 136 with soft 1.8 60ft unprepped street pulls. Have had this setup since 2019, 12k miles on setup, probably over 200 pulls ranging from 1/8, 1/4, 60-130. Not fast but a good fun streetcar that is really more than enough power for the street.

I have thought about doing rods/pistons and a small cam, but then it would just be spin city. So then the options are full time drag pack or turn it down on the street and have the capability to turn it up for the track. But I never go to the track...the track just makes the car a mess. You will have rubber up and down the sides of the car. I keep my stuff pristine...so if I ever decide to go drag racing, I'll build a dedicated car for it. /rant
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Old 09-24-2023, 10:00 AM   #10
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You're pretty much in the same boat as me trying to figure what direction to go.
RPM is a good shop and I wouldn't hesitate going to them. I'm actually your next door neighbor over here in CT, I would look at a closer shop. We have Jannetty in Waterbury CT who I have never used but has good rep. There is SMG Motoring in Mendon MA who I have used a couple times. Also Slowhawk in Bridgewater MA who did work for me a couple times. I would prefer the shorter distance IMO. Just as long as the shops are good.
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Old 09-24-2023, 01:55 PM   #11
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Awesome thanks to all of the replies

Last thing although I would check out 'all' the shops mentioned. the shop I'm conversing with is called SD Concepts in E. Providence R.I.

If anyone has worked with them or knows someone who has or if you've heard of them at all please let me know


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Old 09-24-2023, 03:01 PM   #12
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Awesome thanks to all of the replies

Last thing although I would check out 'all' the shops mentioned. the shop I'm conversing with is called SD Concepts in E. Providence R.I.

If anyone has worked with them or knows someone who has or if you've heard of them at all please let me know


Thanks!
Ted has been a leader in these platforms for years... call him and be done.
As for the main question... H/C FBO or Boost... Thats hard for us to answer, as thats a very personal choice.

How I see it...

H/C + FBO = Awesome cam chop... max RPM, manageable torque, less $, aim for 550-600rwhp.

Boost = No cam chop, awesome blower noise, less-manageable torque, but much better than a PD blower... more $, concern for bottom end...

Have you thought of a used LT4 blower?

Some cool builds on here, for what appears to be alot less $

Good luck to you either way.
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Old 09-25-2023, 10:57 AM   #13
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Simple answer IMHO- Procharger all day long. Plenty more power while remaining driveable. Looks stock when installed and with helical cut gears they are really quiet. Once again IMHO, of course.
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Old 09-25-2023, 01:07 PM   #14
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Awesome thanks to all of the replies

Last thing although I would check out 'all' the shops mentioned. the shop I'm conversing with is called SD Concepts in E. Providence R.I.

If anyone has worked with them or knows someone who has or if you've heard of them at all please let me know


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Listen to what KingLT1 is saying above for supporting mods to your upgrades (PM him and he can lead you down the right path) Lots of guys on this thread with a wealth of information and money spent!.... and call Ted at Jannetty Racing Enterprises if you are looking for a shop to do the work up your way.
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